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Preterists Cannot Prove Their Assertions !

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Feb 10, 2019.

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  1. Lodic

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    I appreciate your wisdom, knowledge, and experience - really. That doesn't guarantee the you are right in this point. Remember that Elihu provided more wisdom to Job than did Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar.
     
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    Ah, no. The rapture is explicitly taught, ". . . shall be caught up . . " 1 Thessalonians 4:17. And a distinction is made between the Jews and Gentiles in the church, Romans 1:16; Galatians 6:16; Revelation 21:12-14. So I am not understanding your problem. BTW, I am a post-trib futurist. I hold the Jews and Gentiles are raptured at the same time (Matthew 24:29-31).
     
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    It can be aruged the Apostle Paul used "we" with the Corithians to include himself regarding the rapture, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, ". . . we shall be changed. . . ."

    As for being in different parts of the globe, the implication is that those events will be visible in the nation of Israel.
     
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    I want to know your defense using scripture of all of this.
     
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    Scripture is pretty clear, so I really don't know what you mean here.
     
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    You disappoint me. You have been so nice up to now and then this arrogance.
     
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    The Preterist interpertation is not a clear understandind of holy scripture.
     
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    My apologies, Brother. I'm not trying to be arrogant. I truly don't know what you are getting to with your question.
     
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    What do you base this on? (By the way, I haven't forgotten your earlier comments regarding the Rapture, etc. I won't have time to address that until tomorrow. Got a report to finish up. I only have time for quick answers right now.
     
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    You just ignore the fact that sun moon and stars in prophecy, OT and NT, refer to people. THAT is the literal interpretation.
     
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    Of course don't you understand scripture?
     
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    You are severely mixed up. Jesus does not menton the beast or the matk of the beast but doest mention the great tribulation on Israel which happened in AD 66-70.
     
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    Another futurist misquote of scripture. Jesus :
    • Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
    Affliction such as, not worse than.
     
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    Yes we shall all be caught up to meet the Lord in the air as he descends, but that is not what the futurists teach Not one of theose verses you teach say there is a distinction between Jewish and gentile believers.
     
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    The futurist teaching certainly is not.
     
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    There's only one way to "interpret" most Scripture - AS WRITTEN in the ancient mss.

    You're right; we won't agree cuz it DIDN'T happen then. That time was the "days of vengeance" jesus prophesied against the Jews. There have been far-greater disasters since then, such as the nazi holocaust against the Jews.

    Then, you should alse agree that partial preterism is false, as Jesus said there'd be a great cosmological disturbance IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib(Matt. 24:29-30) during which He shall return.

    And preterism is wholly MAN-MADE.

    Both sides have people in it for the money.
     
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    Daniel, Paul, and JESUS all spoke of a MAN who will be the 'beast'. I proved that Nero was NOT the beast. That man is yet to come upon the world stage, if he's even been born yet. So, we know he will be a LITERAL man.

    The context of the Scripture should showya that the marka the beast will be literal, as no one may buy or sell without it. Buying/selling are not supernatural processes. I believe that mark will be some sorta microchip. The tech for such now exists. As for God's mark upon His servants, it will be real, & it may or may not be visible to other men. (Remember, God set some kinda mark on Cain, so he wouldn't be killed when he entered a town new to him.)

    Gary DeMar is an extremist with some rather-heterodox views, who's on my "Clowns" list.

    There's simply NO VALID REASON to believe the marka the beast won't be literal. As for believing it's already come & gone, that's nonsense.
     
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    Then, you SHOULD! You haven't presented one bit of credible evidence supporting it. But at least you're staying away from the obviously-goofy stuff such as "Josephus saw/heard chariots in the sky above Jerusalem."


    I don't see how anyone who has any knowledge of ancient world history could be convinced that preterism is truthful! There's not one quark of EVIDENCE supporting it!

    You're acting in typical pret fashion. When asked about such things as the marka the beast, etc. you retreat into the shell of "Those Scriptures are SYMBOLIC!"

    Well, it WON'T WORK!

    We see Jesus' prophecies that HAVE already been fulfilled as being fulfilled LITERALLY, TO-THE-LETTER, and not just the Olivet Discourse. Jesus prophesied about his own death, saying it'd be by crucifixion, that all His disciples would temporarily desert Him, , etc. etc.

    And again, the LITERAL fulfillment so far of the Olivet Discourse is most-telling! No one can truthfully deny the FACTS posted in the OP of this thread. There's simply NO CREDIBLE REASON to believe the fulfillment of the remainder won't be JUST-AS-LITERAL as the already-accomplished fulfillments.

    Sorry, but preterism is built upon a man-made foundation of hot air. Scripture & history prove it false. I have asked you to provide **PROOF/EVIDENCE/DOCUMENTATION** that the events prets SAY have already occurred, HAVE actually already occurred, and you've come up EMPTY, still trying to reduce Scriptures that are inconvenient to the pret view to "symbolic" status.WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL YOURSELF??????????????????????????

    This reminds me about a story of Hermann Goering during WW2. Goering told the German people that "if one enemy bomb falls upon Germany, you can call me Meyer."(an insult to Germans of that time) Shortly after he said that, the British bombed a german city; in that fight, some british planes were shot down. Some soldiers had Goering come & inspect the remains of one plane, which was very-obviously British. Goering made all sorts of excuses, and finally issued an "executive order" that this plane was NOT British, & NO British bombs fell upon Germany! That's what preterism reminds me of; A DENIAL OF REALITY!

    Stay tuned for the coming "Your Hero Nero" thread!
     
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    Not at all. It was JESUS' messenger angels who gave the Revelation, with Jesus Himself giving the first part.
     
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    part of why I don't use the KJV too much.

    Mark 13;19, NIV - because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.
     
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