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All have sinned when Adam sinned - Rom. 5:12-19

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by The Biblicist, Feb 24, 2019.

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  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    not Jesus as a man, He does not judge MAN not flesh and blood. .........Not Jesus as a man

    nothing to do with Trinity

    We sin with out without the Law., Satan and the angels are sinners.
    I know what you will say, It is good established teachings but the premise is wrong and thus the application is man made and convoluted logically, This is shown why you have to use three pages to show a simple point.

    The purpose of the Law was to sustain Israel as a nation for the Messiah to save us

    We were condemned already before we were human. Humanity is the method by one death all can share in His death and be saved
     
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    What does Acts 1:11 say? Was he a man when he left? Did they see a man rise up into the clouds? Did the angels say he will come back DIFFERENTLY than how they saw him leave? What does the text say? I don't care what you say, what does the text say?

    Wrong, the Father judged them as sinners prior to Christ coming BEFORE THE LAW OF MOSES WAS GIVEN.

    Define "sin" and use scripture, in fact cite scripture for your definition of sin.



    you say that but does scripture say that? Please cite a scripture that says the law was to 'sustain" Israel? Please cite any scripture where the text is giving the purpose of the law that teaches what you are saying? Just one text?

    Please give book, chapter and verse to prove this! Paul says different - Rom. 5:12 but you claim Paul is lying, so give us a text that teaches we existed prior to being human and that sinned prior to being? PLEASE NO SCRIPTURE THAT YOU MUST INFER IT BUT A TEXT THAT STATES IT AS CLEARLY AS ROMANS 5:12 SAYS THAT SIN AND DEATH DID NOT EXIST IN THIS WORLD BUT ENTERED UPON THE ACTION OF ADAM.
     
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    It is like re-plowing tilled ground

    It is not Jesus as a man but Jesus judging man or men or flesh and blood.
    Jhn 8:15
    Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

    The Father does not Judge man
    Jhn 5:22
    For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

    The Law cannot save, right? It is complete right? Did Abraham not need the Law, why wait 600 years to give the Law?
    Who was the Law given to? not to you

    Sin was already here before Adam sinned but not in the physical existence.
     
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    Christ knew He finished sheding His blood prior to His physical death, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ." τετελεσται -- John 19:28. For which He referred to saying , ". . . It is finished: . . ." τετελεσται -- John 19:30. "
     
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    The sacrifice wasn't finished until He lay down His life..
    Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
    Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    His sacrifice had to be complete. This is why He was called the Lamb of God.

    1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    MB
     
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    You are unable to respond to the clear explicit statements of the angels in Acts 1:11. You simply ignore it, dismiss it as you must because it clearly and explicitly repudiates your false teaching.

    You ignore the evidence I give for Jn. 815 that completely repudiate your nonsense. Why? Because you can't answer directly and honestly so what do you do? Just repeat your error.

    I ask you to cite scriptures to prove your definition of sin! What do i get? NOTHING/ZERO/ZILCH

    I ask you to cite scripture to prove your doctrine of preexistence of men prior to Adam as sinners and what do I get? NOTHING/ZERO/ZILCH.

    Why should I or anyone continue to talk with you because you don't respond to evidence against your theory and you can't offer any scripture to support your theory? Not wasting my time any longer you are on "ignore."
     
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    Acts 1 :11 is talking about Jesus, being human, Jesus said He dies not judge man, humans,, nothing to do with a human Jesus. get it, Jesus saig He was not going to judge flesh and blood, not Jesus would not be flesh and blood on His return

    Read the verses you contradict

    Sin is disobeying God. nothing to discuss
    The Father does not judge men because all judgment is given to the Son

    You made up your answer on John 8:15 totally wrong because we are condemned already as a man, Adam was condemned.

    How was Adam condemned as a man if Jesus didn't do it?

    You need to understand you are dealing with a Christian , if you cant understand and change your view , you will not survive the attack from the lost
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    Act 9:5

    And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kickagainst the pricks.

    Why do you keep bringing up this subject? Are you not comfortable with your position?
     
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