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Calvinism and Deathbed Conversions

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by InTheLight, Mar 5, 2019.

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  1. David Kent

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    Adam and freewill, and he used that freewill to sin. As children opf adam, our freewill is only to sin.

    For whom did Christ die?
    • Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
     
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    Excerpts from the Calvinist Dictionary:

    All: The elect
    Draw all Men: Regenerate the Elect
    Everyone: The elect
    Free Will: Something that can’t exist because it would make God helpless if true.
    Free Will (2): You can do anything so long as it is within the confines of what your nature determines.
    Free Will (3): Something you receive after God determines you should have it.
    Free Will (4): Arminians exercising their sovereignty over God.
    Whosoever: The elect
    World: The elect
     
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    Your freewiill doesn't let you understand the scriptures.
    • John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:
    Jesus not only chose the apostles but others such as Zachaeus.
    God chose the Jews to be His people.
    • Deut 6-7 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
    • 7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
    If God chose the Jews to be a special people, why not so His Church, when he uses a similar phrasing. regarding His people, the Church?
    • 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
    Special People and Pecular People mean the same thing.
     
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    He does, but does not interfere witb the decision
    Of the sinner, rish young ruler is an example.
    He will saved all who are willing to accept Him, his criteris
     
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    Awesome. As Calvinists love to point out and then violate their own policy, as you've just done, LOOK AT THE CONTEXT. Jesus is choosing his apostles. He's not choosing any one else here.

    Context. This example is really not going to help the Calvinist. You see, Zacchaeus sought out Jesus. Yes, a spiritually dead corpse wanted to see Jesus, but he was too short so he climbed a tree. He did something of his own free will to see the Savior. Then Jesus invited himself to Zacchaeus' house. He didn't choose him for eternal life or for the ministry.

    Your If-Then statement is faulty; it doesn't follow. But I'm not going to argue against the corporate view of election, so no complaints here.
     
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    It is clear from John 6 that being drawn by God is conditional based upon our faith.
    John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (KJV)
     
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    He draws us before we exercise Faith.
    He does not want any to perish He given us Faith to exercise
    Drawing Sinners is not election
     
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    There is so much in this thread that is unbiblical it isn't even funny.
     
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    Well said!
     
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    That was when I dropped my keyboard.

    Sometimes my cat walks over the key board and makes a post. It is not very readable, though.
     
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    I took the cat's post as your better work
     
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    Jn.12:32
     
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    Only if you ignore John 6:39. 'This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing but raise it up at the last day.'
     
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    What about John 12:32?
     
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    The problem we Baptists have is our whole thing is about "gettin saved" past tense and not "being saved" continuous tense.
     
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    No but Irresistible grace is.
     
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    Well if one doesn't get saved, one isn't going to be saved QED.
    But apart from that, what is your comment on John 6:39?
     
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    Bro, my personal opinion is He was talking about the disciples.
     
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    Why do you think that? Is it because otherwise it fouls up your theology?
    Bear in mind that in verse 36, our Lord is talking to people who don't believe. They are identified as 'the people' in verse 24.
     
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    It still looks like He's talking about His disciples.
     
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