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That is debatable. It definitely has notable Reformed and Calvinist members but it is trending toward social justice and broad evangelicalism. Many Reformed theologians I know are cutting their ties with TGC.

 

NT Wright viewpoint on the Atonement and His NPP would not be within any prominent reformed/or Calvinistic Baptist that I am aware of !

 

I think the views expressed by those at Lignior ministries in regards to the NT Wright view on the atonement would be much closure to how reformed and Calvinistic Baptists regard him views!

 

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You are not giving me a straight answer but deflecting again. You say that in addition to their state of unbelief (which is sin) they "remain in their sins." Again, does the law of God penalize sinners for their sin of unbelief and whatever other sins they remain in??? Does the law condemn sinners without penalizing them? Does the Law have a loud bark but no bite? If so, then what do the words "judged according to their works" mean if judgement has no penalization as a consequence of sins?

 

We are born as sinners, so we all already have been judged and condemned in Adam by God....

 

With respect, you are the one who has been pushing a difference between Penal Substitution and Penal Substitution 'theory.' To my way of thinking you do not believe in P.S. at all for the reasons I gave earlier.

 

I quite agree. that is why I wrote earlier:

That's what I believe.

 

Thabiti Anyabwile has gone all-in on social justice and reparations. Tim Keller has always been tilted a bit more to the progressive side. There are other things but they will derail this thread. Just know that there are many on the Reformed Baptist and Reformed Presbyterian side who want nothing to do with TGC.

 

It seems you want to completely avoid the term "penalty"! My question is simply does the violation of God's law carry a penalty for its violation and if so, what is that penalty? You say they will "face judgement" but what does that mean with regard to penal consequences?

Is the justice system of God a two teir system? Do those outside of Christ pay a penalty for their own sins but neither Christ or those in Christ face the same penalty for sin and so the same justice system denies any penalty for sinners must be paid either by Christ or by those he represents?

 

What do you mean by "sin created a penalty"? I know of no one who believes that "sin" created anything? The question is does the law condemn sinners to pay a penalty for their violation? Do you believe the Law requiers sinners outside of Christ to pay a penalty for their sins?

Is it reasonable to conclude that you repudiate PENAL Substitutionary Atonement whether you call it a "theory" or a "doctrine" simply because you deny the "penal" aspect of it altogether?

 

There is one thing you did not do. You did not make an exegetical argument for your position. You told me what you believe (post #129), but I am still left wondering how you defend it from scripture. I mention this because this was your charge in a previous thread against @Martin Marprelate and (I believe) another poster whose posts I am not able to read. With that component missing you open yourself up to the same charge you made against them.

I prefer to dial down the temperature on these discussions. They become more profitable and you are able to glean more information. That does not mean that debate is not without sparks.

 

This is not plausible. Why was Adam then condemned to die? It wasn't because of his unbelief in Christ, it was because of his sin.