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Draw - something that attracts interest

Words Related to draw

allure, allurement, bait, enticement, fascination, lure, temptation, turn-on

appeal, call, incentive, inducement, persuasion, spur, stimulus


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What about the millions of God's people who do not know Greek, David? Would they, from the context of this passage, conclude that it meant "drag"?

 

It is very relevant if you believe that God has preserved His Word for hose of us who speak and read English. Do you believe the translators made a mistake when they translated helkuo as "draw"?

I think we found the problem. Context is the key for proper exegesis.

Then, you do accept the definition of "draw" that I posted from the English dictionary, right?

 

The absolute source and essence of any Good act is God. God is absolutely required a person can't even breathe one breathe without GOD doing the drawing.

Explain how you tell your blood cells to receive oxygen through your lungs. I don't have the slightest clue how that works, Clearly GOD Draws every breathe.


John 6

36“But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.


He addresses those who don't believe. Which would be kinda absurd if they can't believe anything to mention anything at all.

 

Could you elaborate just a bit, David? How does "drawing us to Him" relate to free will? I'm not arguing the point, but I don't understand. With your help, maybe I can. After reading a lot of your posts, I've come to respect your views.

 

I think we are reading in too much when equating the draw as the finish line of salvation.

I think its matter of forcing a square peg into a round hole folks prefer DRAG because it implies the irresistible grace.

I see connection of "all that He has given Me" as the Draw/Dragged. In John 6 with the "given" john 17.

At the end of John 6 only guys left are the apostles + Judas, which is also identified as a "given" that is lost in John 17.

None of us are the "given" drawn by the Father. We get prayed for after:

John 17

20“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

We are handled by Jesus Christ:

John 12

32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

Here we have Jesus Drawing/ "dragging" all men.

So when someone looks at this they figure a definition has to bend or break, If we hold you up to drag....... They choose the word "all". Because it will look like irresistible universalism.

Again I think the issue equating Draw/Drag to the finish line of salvation. Which is not the case and it was not the case for the "given" Judas who was drawn and chosen was lost.

 

"No, I prefer drag because that is what the word actually means."

If you say so, how bout we just ask Jesus what he means?

Jesus says:
65And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

Basically gives his own commentary. He tells you exactly what he means. Does that look like by force?

Even when he talks bout kingdom of heaven its like a wedding something permitted into rather then a draft or enslavement.


Now if you didn't get that till now does that mean you have not been granted the Gnostic regeneration to understand yet?


" It does not say all men"

So what would it have to say to mean all men if it just says:

John 12
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

?

 

Looking at another use of the word “draw”.

According to the Calvinists’ definition of “draw” we must always fall into temptation, no choice.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

If “draw” truly means forcefully drag how could man ever resist temptations?

Such interpretation violates 1 Corinthians 10:13 wherein God says we can always overcome temptation:

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

In fact, the Word says man is blessed when he overcomes temptation:

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

However, if temptation means we are forcibly dragged (“drawn”) by our lusts, how can we resist?

Seems to me the Calvinist interpretation that “draw” must mean to irresistibly “drag” doesn’t hold.

 

A word of advise, you use that superior context argument of yours a bit too often.

Comparing context helps reveal the true meaning:

"James 1:14 – ἐξελκόμενος – Being Drawn Away [Present Participle Middle]

from ἐξέλκω [to entice (Strong’s); to drag out (Mounce)] – from ἐξ – [out of] and ἑλκύω – to drag

Therefore; to ‘drag out of’.

John 6:44 – ἑλκύσῃ – Draws [Aorist Subjunctive Active]

From ἑλκύω – to drag

The word “draw” in James 1:14 and John 6:44 comes from the same Greek word – ἑλκύω. The Preposition ἐξ doesn’t alter its mean rather, provides clarity of being dragged ‘out of’."