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The Eastern Church in general does not concern themselves with the Calvinist vs. Arminian debate. Soteroliogogy is not central to their theology like it is in the west.

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God chose people to be elect from before the foundation of the world. He "foreknew" them. These people are subsequently born into physical bodies. At some point in their life God zaps them (regenerates them) with the ability to believe, the ability to have faith. Is this the dragging you refer to?

So when are they elect? From before the foundation of the world? Or when God regenerates them so they can receive the gift of faith?

 

What definition do you assert I am changing? Word, verse?

 

Apparently God had to both pre-determine all things before time and that within time He would have to take further action [irresistibly drag by force] to accomplish the gift of faith He had pre-determined.

 

That creates a problem or two or three....,

 

We aelre all over the place. I can't keep up. I was in John 12. I don't remember saying draw meant invite, but I could have. I remember saying it didn't mean drag.

Since even NIV study Bible says it literally means gives "desire and ability." Draw is a desire, not an absolute compulsion.

 

1. Spurgeon

 

Hang around and get educated.
Some of the best modern scholars of Greek translated it. Real scholars, not people with 2 Greek classes in seminary.

 

In the very beginning, when this great universe lay in the mind of God, like unborn forests in the acorn cup; long ere the echoes awoke the solitudes; before the mountains were brought forth; and long ere the light flashed through the sky, God loved His chosen creatures. Before there was any created being—when the ether was not fanned by an angel’s wing, when space itself had not an existence, when there was nothing save God alone—even then, in that loneliness of Deity, and in that deep quiet and profundity, His bowels moved with love for His chosen. Their names were written on His heart, and then were they dear to His soul.

 

I know you do. You are real proud of it. You never know what worthless pieces of paper the hillbilly you are conversing with has.

(For clarification, I am the hillbilly with the paper pile, not DavidTaylorjr.)

 

You don't really know much about the NIV study Bible notes do you?