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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Rebel1, Apr 18, 2019.

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  1. JonC

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    Yes. The SBC website explaines that the SBC Faith and Message is a confessional (not creedal) and represents the "general consensus" and beliefs held by most SBC churches.

    The SBC does not dictate to churches what they require members to believe, but expreses a common consensus of belief among churches.

    In short, if your SBC church is fine with you not believing OSAS then there is mo issue with the Convention.

    I know several persons who are SBC and outspoken against OSAS. Their church does not require them to affirm the doctrine to be a member, but leaves this to religious liberty.

    Anyone who says you cannot be SBC and reject any one point of the SBC Faith and Message does not understand the nature of the SBC.

    That said, I doubt your church could reject the doctrine and be SBC.
     
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    Southern Baptist do not believe in Election or Predestination for Salvation
     
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    Yes, in addition to divine rebuke for straying from the path, we can also suffer loss of rewards or loss of potential reward, which is a loss of one of the parts of our salvation. However, even then, we still get to heaven, but as one escaping from a fire (bringing little or no rewards.) Often the non-OSAS posts refer to verses addressing loss of rewards as supporting loss eternal security.
     
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    Some do, some don't. Making sweeping generalizations about it seems like a pointless task.
     
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    Yes, less sweeping assertions are more pointed. Some Southern Baptists do not believe in unconditional election, believing we are chosen for salvation through faith. These are the Southern Baptists that accept the Bible as written.
     
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    Um, according to the Baptist Faith and Message they do....
     
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    You mean the Southern Baptists that believe in a works-based salvation. Dependent upon man's choice and not God's grace.
     
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    Simply stated, the Southern Baptist Convention has no members. Individuals become part of the Southern Baptist family by becoming a member of a Baptist church that participates in and supports the ministries of the SBC.

    Most Baptist churches require members to have made a profession of faith in Jesus Christ, to have been baptized by immersion as a visible confession of their faith in Jesus Christ, and to have formally requested membership in the local church where they attend.

    For an example :

    On the same site it explains one being "baptized" as an infant is not required to be baptized as a believer to be Southern Baptist - this is an issue for the local church.

    Reference: sbc.net

    I was baptized as an infant. Why does my local Southern Baptist church require me to be rebaptized in order to be a member?
    Because of its autonomy, each cooperating Southern Baptist church determines such policies for itself—there is no denominational requirement in this regard...
     
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    There are no Southern Baptists that believe that.
     
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    Sure they do they just don't say it like that but that is what the position necessitates.
     
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    nope, misapplied by Calvinist wannabees SBC believes in Salvation by Faith
     
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    Some even applaud the Reformation
     
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    Calvinists believe in justification by faith alone, you realize this right?
     
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    No they don't that is just your immature misrepresentation. Cage stage strikes again. The problem with your personal theology is that you conflate man's choice to repent with God's choice to save.
     
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    Ad hominem as usual.
     
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    Not to put too fine a point on it, but Paul teaches faith is not works. And salvation is not dependent on our choice to fully trust in Christ, it is dependent on God crediting our faith as righteousness or not, thus monergistically.
     
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    nope, they do not , This is where you differ. That is why you have so much discussion here about what you are.
     
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    He also teaches that faith is given by God and not the initial natural choice of man.
     
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    :confused::rolleyes::Laugh
     
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    This is interesting. I had never considered the implication but technically you are correct.

    The logical conclusion of Calvinism - depending on how it is held - can be that Justification itself is apart from both works (of men) and faith, as regeneration comes prior to faith. Faith, then, is evidence of one's regeneration but never the vehicle through which one is saved.

    I suspect, @Revmitchell , the "cage stage" Calvinists will give this a funny or prayer rating. The more mature would consider the implications. That is how one can tell the difference.
     
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