Featured Lost by God's Will?

I understand your reasoning and I respect it but disagree that the word "any" here relates to "all kinds" of men not perishing.

To repeat:
God is not willing that any should perish. Plain and simple, there is no qualifier in the Greek text.
ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι

The distant context perhaps can be used to make your point but IMO one cannot align that context with the grammatical structure of verse 4.

I cannot explain how it can be that the will of our Sovereign God can be frustrated but scripture implies that it can be so.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Yes I know there is a verbal hermeneutic for this verse supporting your proposition as well, however there are enough other passages that show His will is broken by evil beings.

True these evil individuals God will hold to account which can only be if they have or had the freedom to resist.
Also true that in the Last Day He will supersede the breaking of His will by turning it to His purpose and be glorified.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Nevertheless 1 Timothy 2:4 has no qualifiers (apart from a distant context) of the word "any" in the text and IMO must be accepted as such even if it appears to defeat your proposition.

 

The OP overlooks the major problem with their position. Do you believe the will of God is always accomplished? Isaiah 46:10 says that He will accomplish his purposes. If His will is truly that all are saved, yet some are not, then you have a major problem here with your interpretation of the passage.

 

Now this... Will be a good thread.

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Years ago I was given a cigar by one of the men at work - his wife had their first baby.

I took it home and put it on my bureau and forgot it - I didn't/don't smoke - one of my teenage sons took it and smoked it (or tried) he became so sick to his stomach that he vomited.

He confessed, he had violated my will by using a tobacco product, however I felt the sickness was enough punishment and was actually pleased with the outcome. My will also included punishment for violations and that had been satisfied.

 

InTheLight,

Or A Calvinist who actually understands the passage.

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Let me help you out once again.God has elected people before the world was, and some of them might not have been born yet.. They will be born, and in time God will draw them savingly to faith..

So they are elected but will be born children of wrath, even as others...Have you ever read Eph2:1-3....it speaks of it there. If you have read it, why would you not understand this after all this time?

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Pastor_Bob

 

HankD,

Correct, not one of the people spoken of here will perish, each and everyone is going to be saved.
God has decreed, destined and purpose that everyone of them will be saved..

 

Categorically

 

Nor is there any qualifier in, for example, Luke 4:22.
So all [Gk. pantes] bore witness to Him and marvelled at the gracious words.......etc.' Yet doubtless 99.999% of the world's population at that time were not present at the synagogue in Nazareth to hear Him, so they could not possibly have born witness to Him.

See also Luke 4:15. If 'all' were glorifying the Lord Jesus, how come some folk were looking to throw Him off a cliff in verse 29?

This is just me opening the Bible at random and picking a couple of verses with 'all' in them. There are dozens of other examples if you look for them.

 

“O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.” (Jeremiah 10:23)

 

Those against the Doctrines of Grace still need to reconcile this passage with places like Romans 9. Clearly, God does not prepare everyone for Salvation. And if He does not prepare everyone for Salvation, how can it be His will that all (every person) be saved?

I know that is a passage you do not like to deal with but you can't just ignore it.

 

no, or Satan could not have sinned.
He gives us freedom to love him or not...freely, not as Robots

 

Your example is limited because it is limited men doing the witnessing.

in 1 Timothy 2:4 it is almighty God doing the all encompassing desire for mankind made in His image and likeness to be saved from perishing.

But OK I'll try that selective passage thing too.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Seems Jesus is not only the propitiation for our sins but also for the whole world that is lying in wickedness.

 

But you have to explain to me how it is that if Almighty God desires all mankind to be saved, they aren't.

To take the second one, 1 John 5:19, first, if 'we' are of God then the 'whole world' cannot mean every single person in the world because it doesn't include 'us.'
In 1 John 2:2, we know that God is not propitiated in respect of all the people in the world, so whatever 'the whole world' means, it doesn't mean that. It means Jews, Gentiles, Greeks and Scythians, men and women, young and old, rich and poor, wise and foolish. This is also the meaning of 'world' in John 12:19. It is obviously restricted to the Jewish 'world,' but within that, it refers to all sorts of people..

 

Translation: Non-calvinists are dumb. Greek scholars on Bible translation committees that have translated this passage are wrong.

 

Do those who go to the White Throne a judgment have their sins propitiated?

 

If the natural man cannot receive the things of God...how does anyone become saved,if God leaves then to themself?
The man cannot welcome the truth,then he can?
Jesus said no man can come,how do they come on their own?