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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by loDebar, May 13, 2019.

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  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    #1 loDebar, May 13, 2019
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    Simply because it is God's will that we believe in Him. He knows if we don't believe He cannot save us. Faith is the key to Salvation.
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    He does not force me to believe? or I have choice to believe or not?
     
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    You have a choice. Salvation is offered all through the Bible and not once is there anyone who was saved with out faith. Faith is also a choice, and we receive faith by hearing the gospel.
    Election never saved anyone. The Jews were elect and they rejected Christ do you think they were saved anyway?
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    You feeling alright today my friend. Your not making much sense. Christ has never forced anyone to believe and yes you have a choice to believe or not.
    MB
     
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    I was being devils advocate to the Calvinists.

    They should explain and answer the questions. My right honorable friend from Kentucky is banned,...so
     
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    Debate has a way of being frustrating. I just turn my computer off and do something for a while to calm down some times. I hope Kentucky isn't banned for good.
    MB
     
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    May 28th i think,
     
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    Not Kentuckyredneck!?!:confused:
     
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    If God wants you in Heaven with Him, He has a way of making you want to be there.
     
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    I think He wants everyone
     
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    Steve haven't you read the BB by laws... They don't ban hillbillies, it would do them no good, they would just sneak in the backdoor... Brother Glen:Biggrin

    You know I love ya Kentucky!
     
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    Jesus is good... I must of been mistaken then
     
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    Why then is there hell? Is he not sovereign?
     
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    Sin, we choose to sin

    His sovereignty is not in conflict with His nature. His sovereignty is not in conflict with His Holiness
     
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    And the Holy Spirit always does as he pleases, sometimes in spite of human effort.
     
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    Salvation , because of His Grace is the gift
    Rom 6:23

    For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God iseternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    We use our faith given by God to believe it or not,

    Salvation is not merited, we believe it is necessary and He is willing and able to save us by Faith which we can exercise properly or not
     
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    It is not like we are being asked to believe what is not true.
    There is then. Now we have now. Our problem is accepting the ressurrection from the dead, let alone all the other claimed miracles. But once one understands the gift and the forgivness it provides, we can believe. The lost do not yet know of it or refuse to hear to understand. (2 Corinthians 4:3-) And there are some real historical elements.

    One cannot believe what one does not hear. And if we willing to do God's will Jesus promised we can know (John 7:17).
     
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    Faith or Belief is not understanding
     
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