Featured Cage Staged Calvinism

A choice by God to elect a multitude of sinners In Christ, and pass by the rest is just that.
As was posted earlier it was a positive choice to elect a multitude of undeserving sinners.
God has elected to save all He could have wisely saved according to His purpose.
I do not doubt God's wisdom and knowledge to know the God of the earth will do right just like at Sodom and Gommorah.
If there were 50, or 40, or 30,down to ten

 

Oh, really? So this is a Calvinist that is answering against God?:

18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus? Ro 9

I think not.

 

There a difference between "not saving" and "actively damning". God did not IRRESISTIBLY DRAW men to sin the way he IRRESISTIBLY DRAWS men to Christ. I can find no Scripture that teaches [God draws men to sin, therefore the damnation that results from sin is the sovereign work of God.] If scripture taught it, then I would accept it, but scripture does not teach that.

[1] The fire was not the result of an outside cause like faulty electric. Both babies chose to immolate themselves: Romans 3:10-18

[2] I agree that the act of Electing some condemns the rest to their fate, but it is also important to remember that THEY earned their fate, God did not inflict damnation on them. Sinners really are guilty of willful rebellion against their Creator and the wages of their sin is eternal separation from God.

 

Yes. Zactly.:

18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.

...and all this bloviation by the non-Cals amounts to is AGAINST God:

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus? Ro 9

 

Starting to catch onto the hidden agenda that’s emerging!

 

This is where we seem to disagree. You say God does not stop men from coming to Him. Total Depravity and limited atonement mean that man has no mechanism, no hope, no ability whatsoever to come to God. Did God stop the non-elect from coming to Him? He created the world. He created man. He created the system of redemption. If God placed man in a position He created where man has absolutely no hope of rescue, did God elect that man to damnation?

 

From the footing of LOGIC, I must agree with you. The reprobate are born with no chance of redemption and it seems impossible to imagine that God has no responsibility for that. However, Scripture is never willing to make that case. There are no scriptures that I can locate which talk about sin except as the fault of the sinner. For whatever reason, the Bible only discusses the SOVEREIGN ELECTION to life, and refuses to draw the obvious conclusion. I cannot believe that is either an accident or cowardice on the part of God and the inspired writers. So I must reluctantly accept the logical paradox as Truth and just try to "deal with it".

 

God does not stop man from coming , sin does.
Men love sin as a consequence of the fall.
Adam did the sin that enslaves us, not God.
Ungodly sinners can repent and turn to God...if they want to. No one stops them. Sin is more attractive and draws them like a magnet.
None of us would have come unless God effectually drew us.

 

A biblical view of the results of the fall settles this. Rom:8:7...1 cor2

 

If God does not draw the sinner, he can not come?
Most Calvinists would say Adam bringing sin into the world was his fulfilling the sovereign will of God.

 

I disagree, Adam did not do that. Adam acted on his after expressly being not to do that!

 

How do you view Romans 9 and the preparation of the vessels of wrath for destruction?

 

As an Arminian, I agree with you. Most Calvinists I have seen deal with the subject dont agree with you.

 

Not really.
If God had simply punished Adam and Eve for their sin immediately, a maximum of only two human beings would be suffering for eternity in Hell. There might be none but God and angels in Heaven, but all the reprobate born after Adam would not suffer ECT. That just is what it is. So God's choice effects the eternal destiny of billions of people ... even if they earn those wages. God is not an impotent bystander, wringing his hands that people will not listen to Him ... God is the "Potter" who created both types of pots.

 

Romans 3:23....ALL SINNED AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
If The Covenant of Redemption were not in place, no one would be saved, not one.

 

And now we get into full-blown covenant theology...