Where Does Faith Come From II

Reformed wrote this to me in the last thread same subject.

Here is the problem regeneration is Salvation with out which one is not saved..This below is it definition.
REGENERA'TION, n.
1. Reproduction; the act of producing anew.
2. In theology, new birth by the grace of God; that change by which the will and natural enmity of man to God and his law are subdued, and a principle of supreme love to God and his law, or holy affections, are implanted in the heart.
He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. Titus 3.

Being born again is regeneration and being saved. You cannot be born again with out being saved.

You can't have it two ways. Faith whether you know it or not is one of the things we are saved by and is a requirement for being born anew. So when you say you are saved first so you can have faith means you are saved with out faith. That faith comes later is false it can't be anything less.
MB

 

Then why did you ask me if Scripture was sufficient enough to save?

 

Yes it is. Where Does Faith Come From? What do you think you asked me?

 

Ok technically you said belief. But you are splitting hairs.

 

Fine, why did you ask whether Scripture was sufficient to believe? Do you agree that all who believe will be saved? Because if you do, then they aren't two completely different things.

 

Nope, asking a legitimate question. Your favorite goto thing is "oh that is looking for a strawman" when it's not the case. How about you just engage in honest debate or just not post at all?

 

Again, you don't know what you're talking about, and, your reading comprehension is awful:

16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal 2

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
7 Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. Gal 3

22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; Ro 3

13 But having the same spirit of faith, according to that which is written, I believed, and therefore did I speak; we also believe, and therefore also we speak; 2 Cor 4

Davidtaylorjr is right, you are indeed splitting hairs.

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The word 'faith' is not to be found in the gospel of John, but John certainly uses the word 'believe' in it.

 

Revmitchell,

How does God pursue us.?

How exactly...a pastor preaches the gospel, then what happens?

What makes it work? How is it the method? how is it obtaining of faith? If 1000 people hear the gospel, what determines who believes it, and who does not?

This is what I commented on the first time. This seems to be a denial of John 3
Unless the unseen work of the Holy Spirit takes place, salvation does not happen.

Yes..it sure is. I think this is a denial of john 3

 

MB,

You are having difficulty understanding how all the different components of the Order of Salvation function. You also have a different view of the state of sinful man than Calvinists. I am traveling this week, visiting friends and family in New Jersey, so I do not have my laptop. There is only so much I can type on my phone. For that reason, please read with the late R.C. Sproul says on regeneration. I am in agreement with it. Here is the link: Ligonier Ministries


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What shuts down discussion is you not answering post 143 on the other thread,line by line.
You make vague statements, you get questioned, and retreat claiming you answered when you did not.

 

In your link Sproul proclaims

Does this separation of regeneration from faith have something to do with these Presbyterians baptizing unconverted babies?
I think Iconoclast has a better take on this than your Presbyterian authority. Icon recently explained to us that regeneration does not come sequentially before faith: It's not regeneration, then faith; they are simultaneous:

 

It was pointed out that the term translated "regeneration" occurs twice.

". . . And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. . . ." -- Matthew 19:28. Here it seems to be talking about the resurrection.

". . . Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; . . ." -- Titus 3:5. Here it is understood, I think, to refer to our being born again.

 

I understand it I just reject it as non biblical. I will never accept it, because it simply isn't true to scripture. If you say men have to be regenerated before they can believe then you are saying you are saved before Salvation. Regeneration is being saved. If man does not have faith and god's grace he is lost
MB

 

Did you even read the link? Ligonier Ministries