Do you know what an ad hominem is because it is hard to tell from this post.
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Do you know what an ad hominem is because it is hard to tell from this post.
wrong I trust God. Actually there is no perfect translation simply because we do not have a complete Bible. The Catholic Church made sure of that.
MB
Lets list a few of the rules we use to interpret scripture.
1) The Word of God presents a coherent whole, except that later revelations sometimes abrogate earlier scripture.
2) "The Old Testament Laws have been fulfilled and abrogated or cancelled with Christ's death, and replaced with the Law of Christ of the New Covenant, although many of the Old Covenant laws are re-instituted under the New Covenant."
3) The meaning of words and phrases should be understood as the original audience would have understood them, given their historical meaning of that time, the grammatical version of the word in the text, and the cultural beliefs of the time.
4) Avoid speculation that nullifies the meaning, or adds or expands to the scope of a statement, Ask "what is the least the text is saying."
5) Do not use preconceptions (i.e. prior doctrinal belief) to result in an agenda driven interpretation.
1) The Word of God presents a coherent whole, except that later revelations sometimes abrogate earlier scripture.
2) "The Old Testament Laws have been fulfilled and abrogated or cancelled with Christ's death, and replaced with the Law of Christ of the New Covenant, although many of the Old Covenant laws are re-instituted under the New Covenant."
3) The meaning of words and phrases should be understood as the original audience would have understood them, given their historical meaning of that time, the grammatical version of the word in the text, and the cultural beliefs of the time.
4) Avoid speculation that nullifies the meaning, or adds or expands to the scope of a statement, Ask "what is the least the text is saying."
5) Do not use preconceptions (i.e. prior doctrinal belief) to result in an agenda driven interpretation.
Dave G
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No.
He gave us His Spirit ( 2 Peter 1:2-4, 1 John 2:20-27 ).
Otherwise, His sheep who follow Him would be at the whim and mercy of any false teacher out there.
How do you think they keep from following strangers ( John 10:5 )?
That would be what I would say.
Scripture is all the child of God needs ( 2 Timothy 3:15-17 ).
To me, anyone who says otherwise, isn't trusting the Lord explicitly.
Proverbs 3:5-6.
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Ok, there is no "spiritual" understanding of the bible that was interpreted by doctors or theologians of the church as binding as the scriptures themselves. That is a liberal Christian idea.
We need no teacher but the Holy Spirit (1 John 2:26-27). This passage of scripture is in response to false teaching so that we are not led astray.
We need no teacher but the Holy Spirit (1 John 2:26-27). This passage of scripture is in response to false teaching so that we are not led astray.
Alan Gross
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I have one.
Every word the Lord intended for me to have, is what I study from every day.
We have a more sure word of prophecy.
Still cannot get around the truth that God gave to us gifted teachers and expositors on the scriptures for us to use!
We use no other study tools then, no lexicons, concordances, commentaries etc?No.
He gave us His Spirit ( 2 Peter 1:2-4, 1 John 2:20-27 ).
Otherwise, His sheep who follow Him would be at the whim and mercy of any false teacher out there.
How do you think they keep from following strangers ( John 10:5 )?
That would be what I would say.
Scripture is all the child of God needs ( 2 Timothy 3:15-17 ).
To me, anyone who says otherwise, isn't trusting the Lord explicitly.
Proverbs 3:5-6.
Alan Gross
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From both your replies, do you know of any source that gives you the definition, or teaching, or understanding of the words in the sentance I wrote?
"God Gives Stars in The Right Hand of Jesus, to His Candlesticks".
What do these words mean?
"God Gives Stars"?
"in The Right Hand of Jesus" ?,
"to His Candlesticks"?
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How should the following scriptures, listed together as a complete thought, be interpreted, that is understood?
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. John 16:7
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing[fn] in Him would receive; for the Holy[fn] Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39
who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:21
“This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:32,33
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5
“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5
Acts 2:33 “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
Titus 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
Eph 2:8 first part: τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ τῆς πίστεως
To the for grace the ones having been saved through the faith
Titus 2:7 first part: ἵνα δικαιωθέντες τῇ ἐκείνου χάριτι
That being justified to the of that grace
Who, through, the faith, has actually received the grace of life, by which having had the Holy Spirit poured upon us,
we become heirs of the hope of eternal life?
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. John 16:7
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing[fn] in Him would receive; for the Holy[fn] Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39
who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:21
“This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:32,33
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5
“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5
Acts 2:33 “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
Titus 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
Eph 2:8 first part: τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ τῆς πίστεως
To the for grace the ones having been saved through the faith
Titus 2:7 first part: ἵνα δικαιωθέντες τῇ ἐκείνου χάριτι
That being justified to the of that grace
Who, through, the faith, has actually received the grace of life, by which having had the Holy Spirit poured upon us,
we become heirs of the hope of eternal life?
You've said this before but you do not explain how you know they are truly gifted by the Holy Spirit to teach. If you know this by what they teach then you were not taught. You already knew it. So does the Holy Spirit tell you?
MB
We don't really need them. Those you have listed are not inspired by God. The Jews had there commentaries to and they often contradicted the truth. The only real truth is in God's Holy Word.
MB
37818
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So how do you know your "Christian" beliefs are correct? Either we have a trustworthy source (New Testament documents) or we do not.
You say you trust God. Why? Based on what?
There are two reasons I am a Christian, knowing God and knowing the gospel of grace - my source being the New Testament documents - a translation in English. And the phenomena of the self authentication of Holy Scripture. And that those who do not believe in the certainty of salvation by God's grace alone through faith alone in His Christ's alone, do not understand it. And so cannot give or share it with others its truth.
The genuine evidence of the resurrection of Christ is found no place else. All other sources are secondary and derived from the New Testament documents which are primary.
37818
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An ad hominem (name calling) is an attack of the person, directly or indirectly by not really addressing any specific argument.
And I addressed the post not the person. So no no an ad hominem. As far as addressing your post with a specific argument, well your post is incoherent. You need to gather yourself and write something intelligible. You have a bunch of disconnected sentences that lead to nowhere.
37818
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Ok, sense you without being specific say it is "incoherent."
I will do a re-write of the OP, here:
Biblical Hermeneutics has been called the science of Biblical Interpretation. There are some things regarding Baptist Bible Interpreation which sets Baptist interpreation unique to Baptists. And then there are the eclectic interpretations in which individuals differ in interpretations of texts.
There are in distiction from Baptist Hermeneutics: Romans Catholic, Orthodox Church, Protestant, when it comes to interpreting passages of Holy Scripture.
Typically, interpretations look to others who disagree with it as if that interpretation is adding or taking away from what the text actually says and means. Whereas good interpretation gives the meaning of the text as it was to be understood originally as it was meant to mean to the original readers.
So where there are Hermeneutical disagreements as to an interpreation of a text, it comes down to between the difference of one imposing one's interprations "into" to the text as opposed to deriving one's interpreatons "from" the text.
Reading "into" the text or "denying" "from" what the text actually says and means are the identifying differences.
There is a broad range of teachings where professing Christians disagree because of this.
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Not sure why you think that is a clarifying rewrite other than you excluded exegesis and eisegesis. I assume that was done out of sarcasm.
Did you know you don't have to read Greek, Aramaic,or Hebrew. The KJV was reasonably translated a long time ago. Yes by Men. Does that mean I have to trust them? No. It means I trust God. I'm always asking Him for clarification and I get directed to the facts by other witnesses to the same thing or not
If no other witness I stay skeptical. I fully rely on God for the truth. He doesn't tell me audibly but guides me through the scriptures.
MB
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