Who is part of the Triune God. God exists in Himself; God exists in Jesus: God exists in the Holy Spirit - the Trinity.
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Who is part of the Triune God. God exists in Himself; God exists in Jesus: God exists in the Holy Spirit - the Trinity.
Alofa Atu
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That is the false religion I was speaking about. It denies the Father and Son having form, likeness, image, parts, shape, etc. It etherealizes, vaporizes them into airy nothings, which leads to pantheism, and panentheism.
The Father only has form in Jesus. In heaven the Father is spirit as well as the Holy Ghost is spirit. We will be a spirit in heaven as well. We were made in His image - a spiritual image. We only use the term Father because that is how we can understand Him from this perspective of us being human.
Are you saying that the Triune God is false?
Alofa Atu
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That is the false 'theotokos' theology, which uses faulty and fallen humanistic logic.
1. Was Jesus God (person of the Son) 'incarnate' (in the likeness of sinful flesh) upon this earth? Yes (John 1:1-3; Phil. 2)
2. How did He get here? (That is a mystery, called the mystery of godliness), but you seem to be merely speaking about the birth of Jesus. So Yes, "a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son". In fact, the Bible says the Son eternally existed, though His human flesh had not, but was made:
Gal_4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Heb_10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
What do we call the person who gives birth? "Mother", truly, but this refers to that which comes into existence, since a "Mother" must conceive, and that which brought about the conceiving is the Holy Ghost/Spirit. The Son always was, though His human flesh was not always so.
Therefore Mary is not the "Mother of God". The logic fell apart here.
Let me see if I understand you. You think that the 'ecumenical' logo (which looks like all the other churches logo's) has an upside down cross in it (which had to be manually drawn in), and that it is satanic? You think that because it has flames on it (symbolic of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost) you think it is satanic? You think there is a hidden triangle (which had to be manually drawn in, and neglecting the actual contours), of which even Romanism uses 'triangles' religiously for symbol of their (pagan) 'trinity' (seriously)? You think that there is a hidden '6' in the golden lines (when it had to be drawn in and again neglecting the actual contours of the southern tips, though including the northern tips)?
Actually I use the original 'logo' of the 3 Angels:
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This one:
So do you find this upside down cross to be satanic?
Looks like the man is on fire:
Triangles:
Triple 6's:
No I don't think you guys are satanic, read my entire post.
We don't buy into numerology nor do we buy into any blatant false accusations against you.
Although I think you your theology wrong I do believe SDA believe God is Love and portray God of Good character.
The point I'm making is i don't buy into any false accusations against you. I'm not going to slap you down for your good intentions of serving God.
What would you do in my shoes if someone from another denomination had their great poomba prophet pope ect. declare your religion to be in league with the devil?
Matthew 10
25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
If I was in your shoes I'd have bigger fish to fry namely SDA church and hospital support of ABORTION. Thank God there are SDA brothers and sister finally putting up a fight:
Cross is a curse, where there is a cross or wherever there is a cross, for example in the temples of the Great Whore or Roman Catholic Church, there is the curse there, the place is cursed, yes, cursed;
The cross is a Devil's trophy as if the Devil did say: I did have power to kill Jesus, the son of God. By the way, the Devil tried to kill JESUS as soon as He was born, but he failed. JESUS is the Son of God, the cross is of the Devil, was made by him to kill JESUS.
Alofa Atu
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Which is what you attempted to call sister White with the numerism.
Procatholicism Andrew, again? Yeeesh.
Alofa Atu
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If you think I believe you for even a single fraction of the smallest unit of time, then you are more self-deceived than I thought originally.
Your 'mother' (Rev. 17) speaks with that honeyed tongue too:
Pro_5:3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
Alofa Atu
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The cross is the "tree" from which hung the fruit of life. It is also the "cross-roads" between life and death. It is the relationship between God and man (vertical), and man and man (horizontal).
It is the Line and Plummet, the perfect measurement of God's character:
Isa_28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
It is also found in the Aleph (Alpha) and Tau (Omega):
Jesus is the Fruit of the Vine:
The Cross is found in the sanctuary itself:
The devil merely takes that which belongs unto God and twists it. The symbol is not evil, but stands as the perfect love of God on display, it is even Jesus High and lifted up in Glory. The shame was the nakedness, the sin which He bore of ours, when they crucified Jesus.
Alofa Atu
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May God, in His mercy, humble you to so be then ... and then you may understand.
Alofa Atu
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Actually no, it is disproof of the "trinity" (as commonly, not exceptionally, defined), though it does demonstrate the scriptural account of the Trio, or Three Persons/Beings, wherein the Person/Being of the Father is in Heaven, the Person/Being of the Son standing in the water on earth, and the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost coming down between anointing the Person/Being of Jesus on behalf of the Person/Being of the Father.
"trinity" doesn't teach that God has form, body, parts, likeness, image, shape.
Maybe you don't but many Catholics do
You need to re-read that post. We don't believe she is the devil just because her name adds up to 666, because we don't believe in numerology or superstition.
ESPECIALLY when it comes to accusing others. You don't even know me and you accuse me a being a devil worshipper outright.
Thats the way God's justice works tho. The guy who walks around calling everyone an idiot ends up being the biggest dummy.
You say everyone here is a devil worshiper who worships on sunday, your entire foundation of faith rests on accusation and depends on the rest of "Christendom".
The first thing you did when you showed up is VILIFY others.
That guy Andrew is still SDA still hates catholics just like your taught to. He was just smart enough to figure out you guys murder children for money. in numbers higher than the holocaust.
Here is OFFICIAL SDA ARTICLES:
Adventist Church works to clarify its stance on abortion
Straight from the horses' mouth, Your own folks are trying to wake up.
Thats the way God's justice works tho. The guy who walks around calling everyone an idiot ends up being the biggest dummy.
YOU GUYS are end up being the greater evil you call everyone else and wish everyone else was.
"I tremble for our church. This crossroads is, without a doubt, the most critical our church has faced in decades. Why do I get the feeling that formality and "tolerance" will control the discussion, while the true Biblical nuts and bolts will be lightly looked at? I pray I am wrong. Please make me wrong. We have the opportunity here to take a stand as a church which will truly mark us as Commandment Keepers. But to leave a shadow of doubt about where Adventists stand on the life of the unborn will cripple our influence with truth seekers. Let us stand tall and honorable in the midst of a wicked and perverse generation. Let us be a light on a hilltop, one that cannot be hid. Let us be bold and not allow a jot of worldly influence to come in among us. If there was ever a time for God's people to fast and pray, it is now. We may not be able to stop the holocaust worldwide, but we can refuse to let our church share in its guilt."-- Wyatt Allen
I know you don't believe. Any more than a NAZI is allowed to believe anything a Jewish person says, or a white supremacist is allowed to believe the words of a black man. Your already indoctrinated to believe anything coming out the words of a catholic is deception. I know its not your fault you were brainwashed to hate catholics.
Report them then... Thats mortal sin... thats grounds for excommunication.
If you worship anyone other than Jesus Christ you not a Catholic.
Carry around statues of Mary, pray to her, pray to other "saints" its all worship
Thats not worship not even close. Maybe you should UP your praise of Jesus a little more so you don't get outshined.
Let me show you Catholic worship of Jesus Christ.
Some of you might be engaging in catholic worship and not even know it.
Thats not worship not even close. Maybe you should UP your praise of Jesus a little more so you don't get outshined.
Let me show you Catholic worship of Jesus Christ.
Some of you might be engaging in catholic worship and not even know it.
Praying to statues of Mary, calling her queen of the universe, praying to what the Catholic church calls saints is worship. And it is ungodly
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