Choice: God or Man - exegete John 6:32-40

Y1 asks this question over and over again. I have answered it more than a half dozen times. The post is just a deflection because Y1 never addresses the answer, but simply asks another question Doctrine that is defended in such a manner should be consider bogus.

Here is my answer from 2013!
More graffiti from Calvinism. No one has "innate faith". God does not instill "innate faith" in anyone. Trusting in Christ is not innate (or inherit) but results from wholeheartedly embracing the gospel of Christ. The gospel is the power of God for salvation.

Did not God choose those rich in faith and heirs to the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? When God credits our faith, as wretched as it may be, as righteousness, He sets us apart spiritually in Christ, our individual election for salvation.

Why do we love Him. Because He first loved us, and demonstrated that love for us by dying for our sins on the cross. We were drawn when we beheld Him high and lifted up.

 

His view is John Wesley 101...

 

I do not know why you said "faith is something everyone has?" I certainly never said nor suggested such fiction. I do believe most everyone starts our with the capacity to trust or not in the promises of God. But Matthew 13 teaches that some, soil #1 have so hardened their hearts they cannot understand the gospel, so they have lost their ability to believe in the promises of God. But the other three soils of Matthew 13 have the capacity to hear and learn. Next of course, such as Romans 11, God can for His purpose harden the hearts of individuals to prevent them from responding affirmatively to the gospel.

God determines which of the individuals who go "all in" for Christ, and does not credit as righteousness those with no "root" (superficial faith) and those who continue to treasure worldly things in addition to Christ. When you see a verse that says the gospel is hidden from those who are perishing, I believe this is in reference to those soil #1 types.

 

We have no faith in us being sinners with sin natures, so the Spirit Himself must first regenate and impart to us so called saving faith!

 

Pay absolutely no attention to Y1 unless he provides a quote.

 

Can we decide to accept Jesus ourselves, exercising faith, or must we first be regenerated by God to even be able to do any of that?

 

No we do not have faith in us else we would already be saved. That is where the gospel comes in. That is where the power is. The gospel is sufficient.

 

Utter nonsense. If we are chosen through faith, that means we came to faith, which God credited as righteousness, before we were chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive (regenerated) together with Christ.

 

Ephesians 2:8-10 contridicts your arguement for saving faith!

 

The Holy Spirit produces that new heart in us thru the scriptures, but God has not chosen to have all sinners saved by the Gospel, has he?

 

Before the foundation of the earth, as God chose to save his own nased upon His own will, period!

 

Van thinks 3 of the 4 soiuls were getting saved, while most hold to just the last group as showing true salvation!

 

1) I am not mixing any metaphors.
2) The Parable of the Sower defines that some individuals, soil #1, are unable to understand the gospel.
3) Right, God would not have needed to harden hearts in Romans 11, if they all were unable to believe. This this passage proves once again the doctrine of "total spiritual inability" for all people due to the fall is bogus.
4. To repeat we do not start with "faith." We choose to believe, thus we have the capacity to believe unless our hearts have been hardened. Ask yourself how the god of this world has blinded people with everyone starts out blind?

So if we are exposed to the gospel, and we were open to God's word, and we choose to put our faith wholly in Christ, then we have gained access to God's saving grace, Romans 5:1-2. If God chooses to credit our faith, as worthless as it might be, as righteousness, He sets us apart in Christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

"All that the Father gives Me" refers to God setting a person apart in Christ, with the promise they will not be cast out.

 

Yet another absolute falsehood, pay no attention to this fiction. He is posting nonstop disinformation to derail discuss of John 6:37

 

Sinners will be the ones decidiing for God wether he can save them or not!

 

You do see 3 of those soils are being saved, correct?

 

Once again, humans do not "create their own faith." Can a person put their faith in God's promises if they have not been exposed to those promises. Why did you leave out God's revealing His promises. Does anyone put their faith in Christ without first being drawn?

My understanding of John 6:37 - (1) God draws people with the gospel message, (2) some of these hear (understand) the message and believe (having learned), (3) God gives those whose faith He credits as righteousness to Christ, (4) all those God gives in this matter are spiritually placed in Christ (arrive in Christ), and (5) everyone that comes to Jesus in this manner is saved forever.