Adultery

[Walpole]

Jesus Christ condemns divorce and remarriage in all four Gospels. He is clear this is adultery. St. Paul affirms this as well in his epistle to the Romans.

In other thread, however, I was astonished to read some posters arguing that adultery is actually permitted by Jesus. They used Matthew 19:9 to try and support adultery.

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." (Matthew 19:9, KJV)


Do other posters here actually believe Jesus provided a loophole by which one can commit adultery (divorce and remarry)?

 

[robycop3]

Fornication by one's spouse is, of course, adultery, as fornication means having sex with someone besides one's own spouse. And obviously, it applies to men & women alike. How can one see a loophole in that verse? For a married person, fornication = adultery.

 

[utilyan]

They try to hide the main clause of sentence and twist it to "REASON for valid divorce"

32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

The main clause --->everyone who divorces his wife makes her commit adultery whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. The exception is to this. not to divorce. except for the reason of unchastity

Who ever shoots his wife commits murder, except when the wife shoots herself.

See you can't cause your wife to commit adultery, if she is actually doing adultery on her own already.


The verse does not say anyone who divorces their wife does so wrongly unless the wife is in adultery. Because the MAIN CLAUSE the meat and potatoes of the sentence is how you make her commit adultery. You can't make her commit adultery if she is already and adulterer.

 

[JoeT]

They try to hide the main clause of sentence and twist it to "REASON for valid divorce"

32but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

The main clause --->everyone who divorces his wife makes her commit adultery whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. The exception is to this. not to divorce. except for the reason of unchastity

Who ever shoots his wife commits murder, except when the wife shoots herself.

See you can't cause your wife to commit adultery, if she is actually doing adultery on her own already.


The verse does not say anyone who divorces their wife does so wrongly unless the wife is in adultery. Because the MAIN CLAUSE the meat and potatoes of the sentence is how you make her commit adultery. You can't make her commit adultery if she is already and adulterer.

Nicely put; And what was the penalty for adultery?

JoeT

 

[Revmitchell]

In other thread, however, I was astonished to read some posters arguing that adultery is actually permitted by Jesus. They used Matthew 19:9 to try and support adultery.

I doubt it please ell us which post.

 

[Walpole]

I doubt it please ell us which post.

---> Here's one poster

---> Here's that poster doubling down

---> Here's another poster

---> Here is that second poster doubling down, apparently arguing fear of a disease now justifies adultery

 

[Revmitchell]

---> Here's one poster

---> Here's that poster doubling down

---> Here's another poster

---> Here is that second poster doubling down, apparently arguing fear of a disease now justifies adultery

You have no idea what you are talking about. All of you new guys coming on here blasting long time members with the worst possible interpretations of what they post is getting tiresome. I do not believe you care one iota about scripture or truth. I believe you and a few others just want to blast people. I believe it is your joy and it is sick.

 

[Walpole]

You have no idea what you are talking about. All of you new guys coming on here blasting long time members with the worst possible interpretations of what they post is getting tiresome. I do not believe you care one iota about scripture or truth. I believe you and a few others just want to blast people. I believe it is your joy and it is sick.

Don't quit your day job. (You couldn't be further from the truth.)


Do you agree with those posters that Jesus provided a loophole allowing one to divorce and remarry? Or, do you believe that divorce and remarriage is adultery, as Jesus said?

 

[Revmitchell]

Don't quit your day job. (You couldn't be further from the truth.)


Do you agree with those posters that Jesus provided a loophole allowing one to divorce and remarry? Or, do you believe that divorce and remarriage is adultery, as Jesus said?

Did they say they believed in a "loophole"? Did they use that language?

 

[Walpole]

Did they say they believed in a "loophole"? Did they use that language?

Instead of trying to psychoanalyze posters, perhaps you should focus on the content of theirs posts.

A loophole = An ambiguity or unintended omission in a law, rule, regulation, or contract which allows a party to circumvent the intent of the text and avoid its obligations under certain circumstances.

Yes, those posters used that language, arguing there is an ambiguity in Matthew 19:9 which allows a party to circumvent the intent of the text and avoid being an adulterer under certain circumstances.

---> "...Unless the reason for the divorce was adultery by one's spouse."

---> "I already know it. It means if one's SPOUSE commits adultery, he may divorce her (or she, him, if he's the adulterer.)"

 

[Revmitchell]

Instead of trying to psychoanalyze posters, perhaps you should focus on the content of theirs posts.

A loophole = An ambiguity or unintended omission in a law, rule, regulation, or contract which allows a party to circumvent the intent of the text and avoid its obligations under certain circumstances.

Yes, those posters used that language, arguing there is an ambiguity in Matthew 19:9 which allows a party to circumvent the intent of the text and avoid being an adulterer under certain circumstances.

---> "...Unless the reason for the divorce was adultery by one's spouse."

---> "I already know it. It means if one's SPOUSE commits adultery, he may divorce her (or she, him, if he's the adulterer.)"

No no did they say the word "loophole"?

 

[Walpole]

No no did they say the word "loophole"?

If this is the best defense you can muster for those posters, you are wasting your time here.

How about you go on the record and answer for yourself...

Is divorce and remarriage adultery?

a. Yes
b. No

 

[Revmitchell]

If this is the best defense you can muster for those posters, you are wasting your time here.

How about you go on the record and answer for yourself...

Is divorce and remarriage adultery?

a. Yes
b. No

So they did not. this I know because not a single link you posted showed them using the word "loophole". You intentionally misrepresented their posts by knowingly posting an accusation about them you knew to be false. You have no credibility and in fact I do not believe you want any. You have come on this board to post inflammatory accusations at long time members just to start and sow discord. It is your joy to do it and it is sick.

 

[Walpole]

So they did not. this I know because not a single link you posted showed them using the word "loophole". You intentionally misrepresented their posts by knowingly posting an accusation about them you knew to be false. You have no credibility and in fact I do not believe you want any. You have come on this board to post inflammatory accusations at long time members just to start and sow discord. It is your joy to do it and it is sick.

Oy vey...you are wasting your time here. Best you let the other posters defend their posts, as clearly you haven't read their posts and arguments.


You can answer this though...

Is divorce and remarriage adultery?

a. Yes
b. No

 

[Revmitchell]

Oy vey...you are wasting your time here. Best you let the other posters defend their posts, as clearly you haven't read their posts and arguments.

What you cannot seem to answer is my question to you. Did anyone use the word "loophole"?

 

[Walpole]

What you cannot seem to answer is my question to you. Did anyone use the word "loophole"?

No, they didn't use the word "loophole" when arguing Matthew 19:9 allows one to circumvent the intent of the text (Jesus's teaching that divorce and remarriage is adultery) and thereby avoid it under certain circumstances (that of one's spouse committing fornication).

I use the word "loophole", which is what they are describing Jesus provided in Matthew 19:9.


Your turn...

Is divorce and remarriage adultery?

a. Yes
b. No

 

[Revmitchell]

No, they didn't use the word "loophole" when arguing Matthew 19:9 allows one to circumvent the intent of the text (Jesus's teaching that divorce and remarriage is adultery) and thereby avoid it under certain circumstances (that of one's spouse committing fornication).

I use the word "loophole", which is what they are describing Jesus provided in Matthew 19:9.

Boom! You only admitted when cornered. You intentionally told something that was untrue about them. Shame on you. You and a few others come on this board, care nothing about building relationships and work to stir up discord by make false and inflammatory accusations against the brethren. Scripture speaks against such activities. I think before you worry what others on this board believe about divorce you need to repent of your own behavior and ask their forgiveness.

Now will you repent and ask forgiveness for your inflammatory and intentionally false accusations?

 

[Walpole]

Boom! You only admitted when cornered. You intentionally told something that was untrue about them. Shame on you. You and a few others come on this board, care nothing about building relationships and work to stir up discord by make false and inflammatory accusations against the brethren. Scripture speaks against such activities. I think before you worry what others on this board believe about divorce you need to repent of your own behavior and ask their forgiveness.

Now will you repent and ask forgiveness for your inflammatory and intentionally false accusations?

What did I admit to and when was I cornered?

What did I write that was untrue? (I linked to their posts!)

What do I need to ask forgiveness and repent of?

Is divorce and remarriage adultery?
a. Yes
b. No

 

[Revmitchell]

What did I admit?

What did I write that was untrue? (I linked to their posts!)

What do I need to ask forgiveness and repent of?

Now you are just playing games to avoid it.

 

[Walpole]

Now you are just playing games to avoid it.

You really are wasting your time here. Go back and read the OP. Given your propensity to continually dodge my question, I have to presume that you too, like the other posters, believe Jesus provided a loophole to commit adultery in Matthew 19:9.