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The Idea Of Free Will

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Oct 14, 2019.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    I fail in debate? I am the only one of the two of us actually debating and putting forth evidence. You just put forth nonsense posts like this because you can't actually come back with arguments that defeat mine. You don't have arguments that defeat the biblical viewpoint.
     
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    I actually agree with this. God chose to save ungodly believers, by his own will and choice, and allow ungodly believers to perish.

    He didn't have to. He could have let believers perish also, for their sin, but he chose to save them. The choice was 100% his and obligation free.
     
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    Then why is it you even bother. You are going to believe the opposite of everything I have shown you. I bother because we all need the truth and you refuse to accept it. I've never said Salvation isn't of God this your accusation not mine I just make the point that Salvation is not against anyone's will. It is not forced on us we can rebel until the cows come home and as long as we do we will not be saved. God saves us according to our faith not if we don't have any.
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    It's funny you think you have shown me something. All you have shown me is that you cherry pick verses and don't understand the concept of context.

    When have I ever said that salvation is against someone's will?
     
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    And nobody, without the Spirit changing them, has any.
     
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    Prove it with scripture.
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    Well this is what Calvinist claim.you do claim to be a Calvinist don't you?
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    No. I claim to be a Bible Believing Christian. As I have told you before I do not hold allegiance to Calvin as there are things he and I disagree on. I pledge allegiance to Christ and his Word.
     
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    Praise God for that.
    Freewill is not about saving our selves. We could never do that no matter how hard we try. Free will means we want to be saved. Yet it is Christ who saves us. I thought you'd understand if you read acts 16.:31 You believed and your saved. I did too.
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    What the Holy Spirit does is convict you of your sins.In a way you could say that this action of the holy Spirit does change our minds. He does not save us only Christ saves and His saving us is regeneration.
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    Every Calvinist I know affirms this.
     
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    I don't know any who do believe that God saves those who believe first.
    Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

    In the process of Salvation we first are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ . Yet we believe in Jesus Christ, That we might be justified by the faith of Christ
    Might does not mean we will be saved but only might be saved. our faith must be tried first. We aren't save just because we say we have faith. Our faith has to be genuine.
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    Now who is redefining terms? That is not the definition of free will.
     
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    What exactly makes you think so?
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    Because what you just posted has nothing to do with it.
     
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    I suppose that you would rather argue.
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    The Idea Of Free Will

    If you know a lawyer who offers that service, give me the name.
     
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    I fully accept the declarative.

    Standard Calvinist strawman.
     
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    You do.

    1. God chose before time began that Iconoclast would be saved.

    2. Since God had already chosen Iconoclast to be saved, Iconoclast had to believe. There was no choice made by Iconoclaust.

    3. Sometime after this Iconoclast is saved. (Not really wanting to quibble over something as silly as regeneration before or after belief or other stupid stuff.)

    Regardless, all Calvinists believe that the choice by God to save them has occurred before belief. Saying that salvation occurred after belief is just the standard arguing of semantics.
     
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