Featured The baptism in Romans 6:3.

Not in Bible school.

They can try.

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

 

Jesus Immersed His church body of baptized believers,

Prior to Jesus immersing that specific church body of believers on The Day of Pentecost with The Holy Spirit, figuratively, those believers who were assembled in Corporate capacity, at Jerusalem, had already been Saved and added to that particular church body, by Scriptural baptism in water.

Those of The first church Founded and Organized by Jesus, in Jerusalem were water baptised exactly the same way and for the same reasons as actions taking place in Roman's 6, of believers being water baptized into a Divinely Organized church assembly Ordained by God.

Jesus Baptisted those who Followed Him in Scriptural baptism that made up and 'built' the congregation assembled in Jerusalem one time, as a Public Inauguration of The Kind of Called-Out Assembly that Jesus Built.

That Public Inauguration, on The Day of Pentecost, Spiritual, Perminantly Installed Another Comforter into Jesus' Divinely Originated church body assembled at Jerusalem, According to His Promise.

John was speaking to some that would be there that day and as Saved baptized believers in The first church assembly of Jesus at Jerusalem, Jesus baptized that church body, Perminantly, with The Shakina Glory of God, The Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit was Implanted into Jesus' True church there, as The Teacher, and Sustainer of His church Organization as a Perpetual Corporate Institution, from that Day forward.

Jesus' Promise that The Gates of Hell would not prevail against His churches throughout the World, until He Comes Again, is Insured by The Presence of God in The Most Holy.

That is the fulfillment of Danial 9, when Jesus would, "Annoint The Most Holy".

Jesus Annoint His church, Public ally, that had been Created out of the Disciples and Apostles He Had Gathered, during His Earthly Ministry.

His church body had been Organized, by Authority, and Conducting God's Business for some time, as Jesus' church, before being Inaugurated, when Jesus figuratively immersed HIS CHURCH with GOD, THE SHIKNA GLORY.

No person has ever been 'baptised', by Jesus.

Nothing that Day of Pentecost had anything to do with Salvation, when Jesus Gave His church Another Comforter, to Immerse her and protect His Bride, until He Comes for her.

The Holy Spirit has never baptized anything.

Jesus baptized with The Holy Spirit, one time, from Heaven, when He Annointed The Most Holy.

There is no 'spirit baptism', ever, and there is never anything 'baptized into Christ', or Jesus' death that has to do with Salvation.

Roman's 6 discribes Saved Individuals joining the Assembly of Jesus Christ, by water baptism, to serve and Glorify Him in Fellowship, in one of His church bodies, there in Rome.

There is no Value or Saving Efficacy in their water baptism.

They were joining into a life of rejoicing in Jesus, in one of His bodies, that they joined, by water baptism, and fellowship ping with others who had been Granted Repentance and pictured their common understand in Jesus' Death, by being baptized.

They were Raised as New Creatures that baptism is a picture of and they congregated, assembled, gathered, as a body to Worship that Jesus.

That's what a church is.

One of Jesus'churches is joined by Scriptural Baptism.

That's what Roman's 6 is all about.

Luke 3:16 is Jesus Immersing His Divinely Originated church assembly in Corporate Capacity, with The Shikina Glory of The Holy Spirit on The Day of Pentecost, or

... the lost, under John's voice, who did not bring Spiritual fruit to demonstrate they were born again, Jesus would Immerse them in Unquenchable Fire, as the passage says: Jesus "Will Baptiste you... with Fire."

 

IMHO This is the Baptism of Rom 6 and 1 Peter 3

But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! luke 12:50

That is the baptism that now saves us. Therefore:

But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: Mark 10

 

i believe you have misunderstood this scripture.

 

"But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!" luke 12:50

Jesus had already been baptized in water.

Jesus was The Fullness of The Godhead, Bodily, and Had The Spirit without Measure, so He didn't need to be baptized by The Shalina Glory on The Day of Pentecost, as He, Jesus Did The baptizing, figuratively, of The church Organization He Built, to Anoint The Most Holy.

Jesus had a Death to Experience.

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Placing Luke 12:50's "baptism", in Romans 6 & I Peter 3,

substitutes the word, "death", in Romans 6 & I Peter 3,
meaning, 'being physically dead'.

Gill: "as in baptism, performed by immersion,
the person is plunged into water,
is covered with it,
and continues awhile under it,
and then is raised out of it,

and which being once done,
is done no more;

so the sufferings of Christ were so many and large,
that he was as it were covered with them,
and he continued under them for a time,
and under the power of death and the grave,
when being raised from thence,

he dies no more,
death hath no more dominion over him."

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Also, the "baptism" in Mark 10 regards The Death of Jesus Christ.

38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask:
can ye drink of the cup that I drink of?
and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?


Gill: "Which Christ speaks of in the present time,

"the cup that I drink of?",

"I am baptized with?"

partly because his sorrows and sufferings
were already begun:

he had already been drinking of the cup of sorrows,
being a man of sorrows
and acquainted with griefs, all his days;

and he was wading in the waters of affliction,
though as yet they were not come into his soul,

and he as it were immersed in them;
he was not yet baptized with the bloody baptism
he came into this world for,

and he was desirous of, ( Luke 12:50 ),

and partly because of the certainty of these things,
the cup was not to pass from him,
and the baptism of his sufferings
was to be surely accomplished;

(See Gill on Matthew 20:22).

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Again,

Placing Luke 12:50's, or Mark 10's, "baptism", in Romans 6 & I Peter 3,

substitutes the word, "death", in Romans 6 & I Peter 3,
meaning, 'being physically dead'.

This is the context in Mark:

Mark 10:33; "Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:

34 "And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again."
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I'm not sure you want to do that.

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"And Jesus said unto them, ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized;

"baptised", meaning suffering and death.

Gill: "meaning, not that they should undergo
the same sufferings he did
and much less for the same end and purpose:

Jesus trod the winepress alone
and bore the whole punishment due
to the sins of his people himself;

and of them there were none with him
to take a part:

but that they should endure sufferings
in some sort like to his for his sake
as they both afterwards did;"

(See Gill on Matthew 20:23).

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If it is OK with you, I read Luke 12:50 and Mark 10, as 'death' to be suffered, prior to searching 'Gill's' take.

I love how he thoughtfully considers various 'thoughts' that have been suggested through the Ages, and then, draws his conclusion which seems to Best Fit The Glory of God.

He puts into plain words things that sure help to be said.

Like a Doctor.

Like a Boss.

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I believe you are confessing that Church Truth in The Scriptures is something with which you are not acquainted.

My understanding is what I believe God would Have His people to Understand,

... and yet, of course, those that are lost; they don't see it,

... and of those that are Born Again
AND ADOPTED into The Family of God
(all how have ever been Saved, in Heaven and on Earth),

..and who are Saved and
a Part of The Kingdom of The Son,
(presently living children of God),

...are not all 'Called' to see Jesus' churches.

For one thing, they will hate you to death for trying to suggest that God Wrote about Jesus' churches that He Built.

I have more against Calvin than any of you.

Calvin put children of God to death that insisted that Protestant 'baptism' was invalid and that New Converts must be baptized by The Authority of God.

Mark 10:38 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible

8.0.0 Bibliography: JESUS’ churches, called ‘Ana’-Baptists, or ‘Re’-Baptizers, were NEVER Catholics or Protestants.

I have 'written' plenty about The Lord's churches, meaning I have compiled and edited, slightly, teachings of other good men of God, for clarification to the modern reader.

Those who say, "I love Rome", or "I don't love God or The Bible", can forget about God Showing them this Monumental and Extensive Doctrine.

Those who spend time on their face, before God, begging Him to know, "if there is a 'real' church out there, please show me, IN YOUR WORD", is what I am accustomed to finding that people with knowledge of The Churches that Jesus Built have done, to come to know about Church Truth.

 

"He shall baptize you"

...is speaking to Individuals, who, if Saved, were about to be, or just had been Scriptually Baptised, by a man "Sent from God to baptize."

John the Baptist had The Authority of God to baptize.

Jesus Said so.

That is one of the best-kept secrets on Earth,
other than 'Jesus is The Savior'.

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"you" is "her".

"her" is Jesus' church body that He Divinely Originated and Organized, Gave a Treasurer, Apostles, Pastors, Teachers, Church Discipline, Scriptural Baptism, Instituted The Lord's Supper, Gave The Great Commission, and Promised to Be with "her", until The End of The Age.

In Matthew 28:18, Jesus Did Not 'Promise' those satnding there that He would Be With them, until The End of The Age.

Jesus PROMISED HIS CHURCH BODY, ASSEMBLED THERE IN DIVINELY ORGANIZED, CORPORATE CHURCH CAPACITY, that He would BE WITH "HER", Until The End of The Age.

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When John the Baptist said,

"He shall baptize you"

"you" is "her".

John was already baptizing True Converts with water.

The act of being Scriptually Baptised placed these baptized believers INTO The church Jesus Had Organized, AT JERUSALEM.

He Had Been with them, as God, and Promised "her" Another Comforter.

Jesus Immersed "her", His Organized church He Founded and Built during His Earthly Ministry, with "Another Comforter, on The Day of Pentecost.

Jesus never baptized any Individual.

Jesus figuratively Immersed HIS BRIDE, once and for all, in His Public Inauguration, when He Anointed The Most Holy ( Daniel 9).

The Most Holy is not a 'person'.

The Most Holy churches of The Lord Jesus are Organized bodies, BUILT by using Believers who have been Scripturally Baptized into one, as a member.

That is where they come from and what makes 'baptism' extraordinarily VITAL and ESSENTIAL to GOD, as He uses baptism to Identify those who Worship Him, According to The Bible, O...R...G...A...N...I..Z..A..T..I..O..N..A..L..L..Y.....

Something Catholics and Protestants could give a flip about, kick to the curb, and try as they might to eliminate any who stand for Jesus' Ability to Ensure His Bride Worships Him and is here when He Returns.

 

I've never seen this.

It's not in The Book.

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1.) Nothing about: "The Spirit Immersing", anything,
at any time, it is not there.

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2.) There is nothing about any kind of Immersing
or baptism that has anything to do with Salvation.

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3.) nor "The Spirit Immersing", as Entrance into a church assembly
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4.) And, as "the Body of Christ", if this is referring to 'all Saved people',
that is nowhere to be found in The Bible.

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5.) Much less "The Spirit Immersing", as Entrance referring to 'all Saved people',
and called "the Body of Christ".

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This statement has 12 words in it,
and 5 Soundly Established

Misinterpretations and False Doctrines,

which are all astoundingly Blasphemous Heresies
advanced as various perversions of Bible Teachings,
by the Great Whore and her Harlot Daughters.

Has's that? Do you like that?
Do you love His Commandments?

Do you love the Lord, with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength?

Or, have you taken The Mark of The Beast?

The Beast 'thinks' one way and those who 'think' with their forehead' the way The Beast does, may be identified by that, as a marking.

The Mark of The Beast.

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I'm not saying anyone has.

I'm saying that love for Jesus and His churches He Built
will allow for The Divine Interpretation,
to be shed of these various Blasphemous Heresies.

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They aren't in The Book.

If someone says, "I hate The Book",
or "I love Satan and Rome", then, that is that.

They will shout these errors from the rooftop
and plow under anyone they can who says otherwise.

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The word, "Now" is O.K., if we stopped there.

Whew. Sorry, Satan pitched this garbage onto the lost World, and Saved souls.

He'll burn for it and many of us will be there to see it.
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I understand the position you take as it is the accepted position presented by many futurist dispensationlists which IMO is unsatisfactory.

First, the prepositions are wrong - the text in the Greek of Matthew 3:11 is ("in water" Greek ev hudor) rather than "with water".

John is the water baptizer but Jesus is the Spirit baptizer.

Personally i don't hold to the theory that Jesus is baptizing the entire church in this passage but rather individuals upon faith having been born in their hearts are being baptized in (vocative) the Spirit by Christ Himself within the passage of time.

This fact is NOT the charismatic baptism of the Holy Ghost.

 

Its easy to condemn when you disagree, and difficult to correct others, so IMO you apparently do condemn them/us.

 

KJV Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Greek has (ev in) not with water or with the Holy Ghost.

The ASV has it correctly
ASV Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:

 

nope.

Nothing is ever Recorded of such a thing.

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A plural, and has no gender bias doesn't build tremendous false teaching like, "Jesus baptizes all Saved people of all time".

No way. Not taught.

You said John was speaking to those, there.

The Saved are specific, there that John was speaking to, in that they would be Baptised INTO that church of Jesus, at Jerusalem, that He Would Baptise with The Holy Spirit.

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Similar to:

The Apostles Jesus was Speaking to
already had The Holy Spirit, as Saved Individuals:

"John 6: 7; Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."

Jesus baptized His church on The Day of Pentecost.

Jesus' church was one body of Organized believers there in Jerusalem.

Jesus' churches are alway assemblies.

Never "all Saved people".

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Lots of heresy out there, in 2019.

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The Bible does.

God.

Go for it.

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You are not suggesting that you are 'correctable' are you?

I don't see you as interested in The Bible, at all.

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You have only condemned me and that is why you don't know if i am correctable.
I offered a passage to you for your interpretation and you have so far spent several pages of ad hominem attacks against me without an explanation..