What is a "Traditionalist" Baptist...

"Calvinists" are those who follow every teaching of John Calvin.

I don't know of any on this board.

 

Yes, I agree that they do.

 

Partly because John Calvin never departed, in His teachings, from infant baptism, a-millenialism, and several other things that the Roman Catholic Church historically taught and ( as far as I know ) still teaches.

He also was reported to have supported putting people to death for heresy, which the Bible does not teach.
It teaches rejection, not capital punishment for false teaching.

As I see it, John Calvin does not speak for me, and should not speak for any of God's children.

Jesus Christ and His words alone are all that we should focus on.
Our allegiance is to Him and Him alone.
His teachings, and His alone.

The only name we as believers should embrace, is "Christian".

 

No problem, sir.
I forgive you.

I also changed my post from what you quoted, and shortened it.
However, I don't have any issue with you leaving things as-is.

I need to think more about what I post, and stop relying on the "edit" feature as much.

 

We tend to wonder the same.

 

Cute.

 

Of course, where is the contradiction in the Doctrines of Grace?

 

Dave, not to take us down a rabbit trail, but I have no problem with the term Calvinist because (for the Baptist) it means nothing more than the doctrines of grace. Opponents of Calvinism like to attach Servetus, infant baptism, Presbyterian ecclesiology et al. to the term. That is their problem, not mine. Well-meaning Calvinistic Baptists run from the term because they do not want to be tainted with those false assumptions. In my humble opinion, they unnecessarily allow themselves to be put on the defensive.

 

This is true. They resort to this because they can't actually argue against the position.

 

And because some* non-Calvinists do this, I do not engage with them. I am not going to reward intellectual ignorance with a response.

*I do not want to impugn all non-Calvinists because that would be wrong.

 

As a former "Traditionalist", I'll offer this, David...
The contradiction is many-fold:

1) If God decides to save some and not offer salvation to all, then that makes Him a respecter of persons.
2) If God chooses to save men, then He is not being gracious to everyone... Grace would be allowing men to make the choice.
3) If Jesus died only for the elect, then "world" does not mean every man woman and child in 1 John 2:2.
4) If God loved Jacob and hated Esau literally, then He is again, a respecter of persons.
5) If God decides a person's fate, then He did not give them a chance to repent.
6) If God chooses who to save, then man does not have free will.
7) If the Lord appoints sinful men to destruction ( 2 Peter 2:12 ), then He is violating their free will.
8) If He makes them born again without their permission, then He is violating their free will.
9) If man is "totally depraved" and unable to obey God, then he is not responsible for his sins.
10) If God's grace is "irresistible", then God violates man's free will.
11) If Jesus died only for God's children, then that makes the offer of salvation null and void, and makes Him not the Saviour of all men ( 1 Timothy 4:10 ).
12) If God loves one and hates another, then He will not have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth ( 1 Timothy 2:4-6 ).
13) If God hates one man and loves another, then He is not love ( 1 John 4:7-8 ) and does not love the world ( John 3:16 ).
14) If men have to persevere in the faith to be saved, then that is works.
15) God giving men the chance to repent and believe makes salvation 100% of God.
16) God created men with free will, otherwise they are pre-programmed robots.

Those are a few that I've heard over the years.
As I see it, thinking in "Traditionalist" terms and having been taught them from the pulpit for almost 3 decades, helps to understand the position.

 

I used to be on that side of the fence too by the way.

 

@davidtaylorjr
I had to edit the Scripture reference in Item # 11...it's 1 Timothy 4:10.

 

Actually it has been more about bashing