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I don't believe that's what Paul means by "some of you," yet Paul reminds this group of believers in the Corinthian church that some of them had been previously involved in the practice of these sins before they were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Although not all Christians have been previously guilty prior to their conversion of the PRACTICE of ALL the sins listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, yet all have equally been guilty of having sinned and coming short of the glory of God.

 

Judas was NEVER saved!

 

You can't fall away from that which you never belonged.

---> Acts 1:25

 

So all the people that walked away from Jesus teaching belonged to him before they fell away?

 

The ones that were disciples did, yes.


"When many of his disciples heard it, they said, 'This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?' But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, 'Do you take offense at this?'...After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. So Jesus said to the twelve, 'Do you want to go away as well?'" (John 6:60-62, 66-67)

Disciples = followers of Jesus

 

I disagree. A disciple does not equal a person who has been saved and redeemed. A disciple is just someone who sits under the teaching of a person and learns from them. Disciples come and go.
When a person is reconciled and redeemed, they are adopted as children of the King. They get a name change. They get all the benefits and responsibilities of being in the family.
Now...a family member can be a prodigal child (that's the story Jesus tells), but they always remain a child in that family. Just as the son "came to his senses" and went home to a father who was waiting for him, so God waits for us, his adopted child, when we go rogue. We don't fail to be a family member.
It is important to make this distinction between a disciple and a family member. Disciples come and go. Family members are always family.
Since God is the one who starts and finishes the adoption of the children he chooses to adopt, those former orphans are now family. God keeps his family...even if they go prodigal for a season.
If someone walks away for good...they are not family. They are merely disciples who moved on to listen to a different voice.

 

Scripture please supporting your assertion that...

Disciples ≠ followers of Jesus

 

Read the Gospels and see. My goodness this is simple stuff.

 

I presume this is a joke and that you are not actually trying to argue that the disciples of Jesus are those who do not believe in Him?

 

You cannot fall away from that which you never belonged. Judas, before he would "fall away" (Acts 1:25), was explicitly called the following by our Blessed Lord / Scripture:

- A "disciple" (Mt. 10:1)
- An "Apostle" (Mt. 10:2-4)
- "One of the twelve" (Luke 22:47)
- Sent "to proclaim the Kingdom of God" (Luke 9:2)
- "Chosen" (John 6:70)
- A "sheep" (Mt. 10:16)
- A "friend" (Mt. 26:50)

Furthermore, Judas was predestined to reign and rule with Christ...

"So Jesus said to them [the twelve], 'Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'" Matthew 19:28

Judas not only resisted grace, but he resisted He who is the source of all grace. The fact that Scripture tells us people can fall away destroys Calvinism.

 

The elect believe. The non-elect don't believe. Read the gospels and see all who leave Jesus because they don't believe. Jesus had many disciples who left. He had one of the twelve who left because he didn't believe. Judas vision of what Jesus would become was not what Jesus was doing. Judas never had faith to believe Jesus. Judas left.
Disciples aren't always elect. The elect are always disciples.

 

Born again Christians cannot fall away from that which they are preserved to.

Christ's true sheep are kept by the power of God, which is perfect ( 1 Peter 1:5 ).
Christ shall lose none of that which the Father has given Him ( John 6:39 ), for they shall not come into condemnation and are forever passed from death unto life ( John 5:24 ).

 

Jesus said that Judas was a devil from the very beginning, the one who was to be his betrayer to fulfill the scriptures, does not seem ever saved to me!

 

How can you fall away from that which you never belonged?

 

If he was never part of Christ you can't even call it betrayal.

 

Judas never fell away, as he was always away from Jesus!

 

They didn't draw back to perdition, because true believers cannot do that.
Unlike Judas, they would never betray their most trusted Friend.

In addition, they cannot sin ( in their spirit ), because they have His seed in them ( the new nature ) and they are born of God ( 1 John 3:9 ).

" Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." ( Hebrews 10:38-39 ).

True believers who have believed on Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit ( Romans 8:9 ), are sealed unto the day of redemption ( Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 4:30 ).

No man can break that seal ( John 10:28-29 ) and nothing can separate them from the love of God ( Romans 8:31-39 ).
It is the seal of God, who keeps the believer by His own perfect power ( 1 Peter 1:5 ), not ours.

I don't need to see them...I already know what they mean.

I agree that IF believers carry on with their faith and do such and such, they will be saved..
All the "if" passages are directed at the professing body of Christ...everyone who professes Christ, but may or may not actually possess His Spirit.
IF they do the things contained in those passages, it is because they are saved and because they do all things by the Spirit of God that works in them ( Galatians 5:16-18, Philippians 2:13 ).

True evidence = True believer.
False evidence = False believer, sown in the "field" of Christ's body by His enemy, the devil.

Please see, once again, the parables of the wheat and tares, and the parable of the sower.
Both are explained, in-depth, in Matthew 13.

I agree.
They were written to professing believers, telling them that IF they do those things, then they truly are saved and will be saved from His wrath.

Nothing about salvation is left up to "chance" or to man's fickle and weak will.

Salvation is entirely of God, start to finish, and was never reliant upon anything a man does or desires...
It is a gift.

Contrary to popular belief, mankind is not "caught in the middle" between Satan and God.
The devil has his children, and God has His ( 1 John 3:10 ).

Satan cannot take from God, that which was never his to take, and he is powerless to do anything unless the Lord allows it.