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The effect of Free Will on Scripture.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 1689Dave, Nov 12, 2019.

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  1. robycop3

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    No, they rejected by their own choice.
     
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    God made us all who were born afte rAdam save for Jesus to partake of His fall and receive the sin nature, so true free will a fiction now.
     
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    Except God Himself gives to us regeneration and the gift of faith, all of our free will would be rejection!
     
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    no, the scripture says we are not responsible for Adam's sin, only our own. We are sinners as with Adam not because of Adam
     
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    God gave us the Gospel to give us faith when we hear the gospel.
    Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    Faith is not a gift because we have to listen to the gospel to have faith. Salvation is the gift. It is very poor grammar to try and make Eph 2:8 say, faith is a Gift because, that isn't what the verse says. There is only one gift that saves and that is Salvation.
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    God grants that to His own elect, but not towards all lost sinners!
     
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    Correct. Those destined to destruction hear the gospel and consider it foolishness.
     
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    Prove freewill is about rejection.
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    Those who are deceived you mean.
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    They are not deceived. They are in willful rebellion and they consider the gospel of reconciliation utter foolishness.
     
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    Did you once consider it foolishness?
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    Yes. I was destined to destruction. But, when I was dead in my trespasses and sins...GOD...made me alive with Christ.
    God changed my destiny by his gracious choice to redeem me despite my rebellion.
     
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    Those upholding full free will think that makes God out to be a monster....
     
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    All do when they first hear!
     
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    I know. They reject their own corruption and God's loving justice in sending sinners to hell.
     
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    I didn't I took it seriously from the very beginning. I just did not want to be a Christian. I was having to much fun sinning. It took years of hearing the gospel to change my mind. When I had reached the bottom is when I realize the only way out was Jesus.
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    Have you noticed that this type of thread is always started br Arminians. Must be that they are not secure in their beliefs.
     
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    The guy who started this is a Calvinist
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    Armenians ARE Calvinist.

    If Calvinist were honest they could tell us their personal testimony of what happened. Instead they have fix their story every few years cause they can't get their theology straight.

    Think about it I walk into your church and ask who in here is elect? Everyone in that church raises their hand, yet they need a Pastor to set their story straight.

    You should have been independently tell us why you believe what you believe. You have to rip off a theologian even go to Seminary and school. WHY? so you can set your fake story straight.
     
    #39 utilyan, Nov 17, 2019
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    Thanks for the opportunity to share my testimony.

    When I was 20, the Lord converted me over 3 days. I began telling people I didn’t know what was going on but I think Christ is real and he is dealing with me.

    The joy of the Holy Spirit and God’s love had become real and it thrilled me and I didn't want it to stop. But, on the evening of the 3rd day I became convicted of sins I didn’t even know existed. I began praying, sobbing and asking God’s forgiveness.

    I also asked Jesus into my heart. I heard you should to do this, probably as a child. I fell asleep in tears only to awake the next day convinced Christ had saved me.

    I began telling others and saw a whole string of conversions in and around people I knew. They knew I had something special and wanted in on it.

    Within a year I found a Church to baptize me. I eventually gave up my career since it hindered my walk with Jesus. I began living the Sermon on the Mount as my new career, God providing every need, from then till now.

    I developed a theological library over the years and continue to study every day.
     
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