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The effect of Free Will on Scripture.

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utilyan said:
The requirements for me to buy into no free will:

Luke 7

30But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.


Here God has a purpose want and desire of pharisees and lawyers. Something God planned for them, Something God has prepared for them, THEY REJECT IT.

There is no way God is going to screw up on doing what he desire with a planned purpose for someone and forget to hit the brainwash button of Calvinist regeneration.

If you don't believe in free will ,only way you can believe this verse, is if you believe God is incompetent.
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No, they rejected by their own choice.
 
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loDebar said:
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no, free will exists to sin or not to sin,,, rather to follow God or ourselves, if we choice salvation in free will, then not ony does God choose unto salvation but originally chose sin.
Free Will exists to continue to sin for the unsaved and to follow God instead

We cannot blame Adam for our sin

Eze 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
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God made us all who were born afte rAdam save for Jesus to partake of His fall and receive the sin nature, so true free will a fiction now.
 
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MB said:
I was willingly saved so your calling freewill a lie does not hold water. I surrendered of my own freewill.With my freewill I chose to believe the gospel. Thinking your saved with out faith is sin because faith comes by hearing not by regeneration. Men are not saved so they can obtain faith. Men have faith so they can be saved. You have no scripture that says man is saved so he can have faith.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
This verse tells us we must believe first not afterwards..

Freewill doesn't have the power to save. It is of faith that comes through hearing the gospel that we obtain Salvation. Freewill is the choice to believe. In fact your Salvation came the same way you just don't want to admit it.
2Co 8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. You simply cannot be saved unless you are willing.
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Except God Himself gives to us regeneration and the gift of faith, all of our free will would be rejection!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
God made us all who were born afte rAdam save for Jesus to partake of His fall and receive the sin nature, so true free will a fiction now.
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no, the scripture says we are not responsible for Adam's sin, only our own. We are sinners as with Adam not because of Adam
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Except God Himself gives to us regeneration and the gift of faith, all of our free will would be rejection!
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God gave us the Gospel to give us faith when we hear the gospel.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith is not a gift because we have to listen to the gospel to have faith. Salvation is the gift. It is very poor grammar to try and make Eph 2:8 say, faith is a Gift because, that isn't what the verse says. There is only one gift that saves and that is Salvation.
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MB said:
God gave us the Gospel to give us faith when we hear the gospel.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith is not a gift because we have to listen to the gospel to have faith. Salvation is the gift. It is very poor grammar to try and make Eph 2:8 say, faith is a Gift because, that isn't what the verse says. There is only one gift that saves and that is Salvation.
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God grants that to His own elect, but not towards all lost sinners!
 
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MB said:
Did you once consider it foolishness?
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Yes. I was destined to destruction. But, when I was dead in my trespasses and sins...GOD...made me alive with Christ.
God changed my destiny by his gracious choice to redeem me despite my rebellion.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
All do when they first hear!
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I didn't I took it seriously from the very beginning. I just did not want to be a Christian. I was having to much fun sinning. It took years of hearing the gospel to change my mind. When I had reached the bottom is when I realize the only way out was Jesus.
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Have you noticed that this type of thread is always started br Arminians. Must be that they are not secure in their beliefs.
 
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David Kent said:
Have you noticed that this type of thread is always started br Arminians. Must be that they are not secure in their beliefs.
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Armenians ARE Calvinist.

If Calvinist were honest they could tell us their personal testimony of what happened. Instead they have fix their story every few years cause they can't get their theology straight.

Think about it I walk into your church and ask who in here is elect? Everyone in that church raises their hand, yet they need a Pastor to set their story straight.

You should have been independently tell us why you believe what you believe. You have to rip off a theologian even go to Seminary and school. WHY? so you can set your fake story straight.
 
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utilyan said:
Armenians ARE Calvinist.

If Calvinist were honest they could tell us their personal testimony of what happened. Instead they have fix their story every few years cause they can't get their theology straight.

Think about it I walk into your church and ask who in here is elect? Everyone in that church raises their hand, yet they need a Pastor to set their story straight.

You should have been independently tell us why you believe what you believe. You have to rip off a theologian even go to Seminary and school. WHY? so you can set your fake story straight.
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Thanks for the opportunity to share my testimony.

When I was 20, the Lord converted me over 3 days. I began telling people I didn’t know what was going on but I think Christ is real and he is dealing with me.

The joy of the Holy Spirit and God’s love had become real and it thrilled me and I didn't want it to stop. But, on the evening of the 3rd day I became convicted of sins I didn’t even know existed. I began praying, sobbing and asking God’s forgiveness.

I also asked Jesus into my heart. I heard you should to do this, probably as a child. I fell asleep in tears only to awake the next day convinced Christ had saved me.

I began telling others and saw a whole string of conversions in and around people I knew. They knew I had something special and wanted in on it.

Within a year I found a Church to baptize me. I eventually gave up my career since it hindered my walk with Jesus. I began living the Sermon on the Mount as my new career, God providing every need, from then till now.

I developed a theological library over the years and continue to study every day.
 
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