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Faith of Jesus or In Jesus?
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One of the principles of bible study is to accept their is only one intended message, one intended meaning. To say a verse says utmost patience, and also perfect patience is to be wrong once or twice.
But such absurdity is non-germane, the meaning was not just shifted, it was reversed, people of faith text was corrupted to people without faith. Despicable.
Note the reply has nothing to do with the issue, just more deflection on display. What is the actual position, Romans 5:1-2 faith provided the access to the grace in which we stand. Pay no attention to those trying to avoid better translations based on Greek grammar. Christ's faithfulness better presents the actual message than the mistaken "faith in Christ" rendering in at least 5 verses.
God loved mankind in this way, He gave His one of a kind Son so that everyone believing into Him would not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 3:22 namely, the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction,
Romans 3:26 This was also to demonstrate his righteousness in the present time, so that he would be just and the justifier of the one who lives because of Jesus’ faithfulness.
Galatians 2:16 yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So the life I now live in the body,I live because of the faithfulness of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture imprisoned everything and everyone under sin so that the promise could be given – because of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ – to those who believe.
Ephesians 3:12 in whom we have boldness and confident access to God because of Christ’s faithfulness.
Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not because I have my own righteousness derived from the law, but because I have the righteousness that comes by way of Christ’s faithfulness – a righteousness from God that is in fact based on Christ’s faithfulness,
These NET rendering seem to present the actual intended message, rather than ambiguity or error.
Romans 3:26 This was also to demonstrate his righteousness in the present time, so that he would be just and the justifier of the one who lives because of Jesus’ faithfulness.
Galatians 2:16 yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So the life I now live in the body,I live because of the faithfulness of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture imprisoned everything and everyone under sin so that the promise could be given – because of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ – to those who believe.
Ephesians 3:12 in whom we have boldness and confident access to God because of Christ’s faithfulness.
Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not because I have my own righteousness derived from the law, but because I have the righteousness that comes by way of Christ’s faithfulness – a righteousness from God that is in fact based on Christ’s faithfulness,
These NET rendering seem to present the actual intended message, rather than ambiguity or error.
This post agrees with the NET rendering of Galatians 2:16
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Philippians 1:27:
striving together for the faith of the gospel; (NASB)
working side by side for the faith that comes from the gospel, (HCSB)
Near all translations render the construction (Dative, Genitive, Genitive) as "faith of the gospel (or good news).
Only a few attempt to pick one of the possible meanings, such as the HCSB which goes with the faith (belief) that comes from trusting in the gospel information. Another view is that "faith" refers to the gospel information, thus striving for the doctrine of the gospel. Note that in Galatians 1:23 faith is also used to mean the information or doctrine referred to as the gospel.
striving together for the faith of the gospel; (NASB)
working side by side for the faith that comes from the gospel, (HCSB)
Near all translations render the construction (Dative, Genitive, Genitive) as "faith of the gospel (or good news).
Only a few attempt to pick one of the possible meanings, such as the HCSB which goes with the faith (belief) that comes from trusting in the gospel information. Another view is that "faith" refers to the gospel information, thus striving for the doctrine of the gospel. Note that in Galatians 1:23 faith is also used to mean the information or doctrine referred to as the gospel.
Deflection, and note the absurdity of the assertion.
1) Everyone believing into Him shall have eternal life. John 3:16 Thus God must credit our faith as righteousness (Romans 4:4-5; Romans 4:23-24) and put us into Christ 1 Corinthians 1:30.
2) Christ became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world, which does not exclude anyone, 1 John 2:2.
Yet another denial of scripture, Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-24. Deny and deflect is the MO of the defense of bogus doctrine.
Titus 1:1 (NASB) Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
The word translated "for" is the Greek preposition "kata" and in other versions is translated "according to" or "to further" so it appears Paul's mission here is to nurture the faith of God's chosen ones.
The word translated "for" is the Greek preposition "kata" and in other versions is translated "according to" or "to further" so it appears Paul's mission here is to nurture the faith of God's chosen ones.
2 Peter 1:1 (NASB) Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
First, the word translated "received" is also translated "obtained," but perhaps the most accurate rendering is obtained by chance or divine allotment. Here we have the gospel presented to many but not all, so to a degree hearing the gospel is by chance, but on top of that, the lost receive or accept it to varying degrees, another contingent influenced by their life experience, and then we have whether or not God credits that faith as righteousness. So a footnote to "obtained" might read "obtained by chance and divine allotment."
In any event the "faith" obtained is the same "credited as righteousness by God faith" as Peter and other's belonging to Christ had obtained.
Now we get to the obscure part, was that faith in (our faith in Christ) or is this referring to the content of our faith as provided by our God and Savior Jesus Christ. The word translated "by" above is "en" and can refer to our faith in the righteousness of Christ or something accomplished by the righteousness of Christ. Because it is such an important statement as to what we believe, I think the intended message is obtained a faith (the same kind as ours) in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
First, the word translated "received" is also translated "obtained," but perhaps the most accurate rendering is obtained by chance or divine allotment. Here we have the gospel presented to many but not all, so to a degree hearing the gospel is by chance, but on top of that, the lost receive or accept it to varying degrees, another contingent influenced by their life experience, and then we have whether or not God credits that faith as righteousness. So a footnote to "obtained" might read "obtained by chance and divine allotment."
In any event the "faith" obtained is the same "credited as righteousness by God faith" as Peter and other's belonging to Christ had obtained.
Now we get to the obscure part, was that faith in (our faith in Christ) or is this referring to the content of our faith as provided by our God and Savior Jesus Christ. The word translated "by" above is "en" and can refer to our faith in the righteousness of Christ or something accomplished by the righteousness of Christ. Because it is such an important statement as to what we believe, I think the intended message is obtained a faith (the same kind as ours) in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.