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A god who knows the future, but does not determine the future is not God Almighty.
God actually declares things to be what they are before they are.

Isaiah 46
8 “Remember this, and show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors.

9 Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’

 

Romans 4
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”

 

You asked a good question. I must think on the answer some more. I'll follow this discussion with interest.

 

The 'seed' Paul is speaking of in Romans 4 are the children of the promise God promised to Abraham, as
God spoke according to Isaac your descendants shall be the called, so shall your descendants be. Those descendants are not those children born according to the flesh.
Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

So we see the express purpose of God is to save the seed He promised to Abraham, born according to the Spirit according to His will, they are the ones who will inherit salvation. Right there is the predestining of individuals to be the saved. Those who are of God to be saved are given as was Isaac was to be children of Abraham.

Jesus says the same thing in John 8.

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

They could not believe because they were not Abraham's children, as Issac was as having been given to Abraham as his children. God mentions this even further in Hebrews 2

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:
“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:
“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:
“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

 

I'm no Tulip Calvinist, (the 'L' is my problem point, 1 John 2:2).
But I have never in my life doubted that God has had a plan for me. My potential rebellion against God's plan for my life doesn't diminish his sovereignty, in my opinion. Scripture says that God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. According to that passage, what God is willing is not always perfectly accomplished, since obviously not all are coming to repentance. I'm sure this topic is on the board somewhere...but how do Calvinists interpret that verse? (2 Peter 3:9).

 

Basically this is asking humans (FINITE) to explain God (INFINITY).
The absolute best one can do is to nibble around the edge & not get paranoid about the results - however reasonable OR unreasonable they may seem!!
Sorta like when I was mowing & stirred up a yellow jacket nest right in the middle of my yard.
I really don't think it would have done much good to try to explain to them why, if they would just move their nest to a different area, they would be safe & unmolested.
I would say the gap in my logically conversing with them would be mere fraction of us trying to explain His actions; 'cept of course where it is more or less spelled out for us.

MARANATHA

 

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We were chosen in Him from before the foundation of the world, which is when our purpose was given to us, note 2 Timothy 1:9, but we were created in time as new creations in Christ at the time of God's choosing for us to fulfil His purposes, note Galatians 1:15-16, God chooses the time for when He reveals Christ in us. This is a very important concept as it gives meaning to our supernatural existence at the hand of God our Creator.

2 Timothy 1
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles. 12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

Galatians 1
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. 14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.

And Ephesians 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

 

WOW!!!!
You sound just like an atheist who hates God (who doesn't exist!) so much he complains about everything He (God) does.
I don't know your relation with God, but you are awfully brazen to LIMIT God's choices to what YOU consider the only options.
IIRC, Jesus had something to say about those who thought they were so smart!?!?
Again, I don't know you, but you seem to be a perfect example of an old adage:
"He's been educated beyond his intelligence."