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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon2, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

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    No, that particular word does not occur in any Bible translation that I am aware of. I thought it would be a catchy header for the intent of this thread.

    I'll be citing certain words in several Bible translations and tell you how often they occur.

    Humanity
    NRSV : 3
    NIV : 7
    NET : 18
    NLT : 19
    LEB : 22
    CSB : 25
    ISV and EXB : 28
    CEB : 40

    Are you surprised that the NRSV used that word so rarely? Perhaps you were taken by surprise that the NIV uses it infrequently.

    Humankind

    CSB : 1
    EXB and ISV : 3
    CEB : 11
    NET : 33
    NRSV : 57
    LEB : 123

    Hmmm, the LEB, though considered a conservative translation --leads the pack. And as I've said elsewhere, the NIV doesn't use the word at all.

    People

    WEB : 1923
    NASB : 1983
    LEB : 2125
    CSB : 2260
    ISV : 2571
    NET : 2576
    NIV : 2690
    ESV : 2756
    NRSV : 2871
    CEB : 3614
    NLT : 3649

    Perhaps you are surprised that the ESV uses that word even more than the NIV does. Myths be shattered.
     
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    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    The Nas still did pretty well here!
     
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    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to quote my entire post. Just make a comment with your words only.
     
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    Them
    NLT : 4118
    CSB : 4307
    ISV : 4417
    NET : 4419
    ESV : 4437
    LEB : 4553
    WEB : 4641
    NIV : 4673
    CEB : 5470
    NRSV : 5804

    Did it shock any of you that the NLT used that word less than the rest of the translations?
    From the NLT to the NIV it's rather close. The CEB and NRSV are in a different category.

    Their
    CSB : 2724
    ESV : 2773
    LEB : 2806
    WEB : 2829
    NET : 2888
    ISV : 2918
    NLT : 3328
    NIV : 3374
    NRSV : 4134
    CEB : 4369

    Once again the cluster from the CSB to the NIV is closer together than the NRSV and CEB which are in virtually a separate category.

    I have used Biblegateway for all of this information. I tried the search engine for the word they, but it couldn't furnish the information.
     
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    Now when it comes to the word person, it gets a little complicated. When doing a search on Biblegateway all forms of the word are counted in : persons, personal, personally, person's.

    But we'll just go under the heading of :

    Person

    ESV : 200
    NIV : 319
    NRSV : 404
    LEB : 412
    NLT : 463
    CSB : 580
    NET : 590
    ISV : 754
    CEB : 788

    Hey! Now what do you know? The NIV scores right around the ESV here. It's less inclusive than the conservative LEB, which is around the same position as the NLT --another surprise.
     
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    The use of the word them in the New Testament with just five translations:

    1) NET : 1148
    2) CSB : 1158
    3) NIV : 1195
    4) ESV : 1212
    5) NASB : 1222

    Well what do you know? The ESV and NASB use the word them more than the NIV. Some Anti-NIVers just can't win.
     
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    Humanoids? Try Preparation H.
     
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    Rather than a word count, why not provide a verse or two where a singular is changed to a plural to avoid using a male gender when people of both genders are indicated. Greek "him" translated as "them."
     
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    Per Van's request. I will just offer snips, not entire verses. For the 1984 NIV I will put 84. For the 2011 NIV I will put 11.

    Job 33:26
    84 : He prays to God
    11 : that person can pray to God

    Isaiah 32:6
    84 : his mind is busy with evil
    11 : their hearts are bent on evil

    Jeremiah 9:8
    84 : each speaks cordially to his neighbors
    11 : they all speak cordially to their neighbors

    Zephaniah 1:3
    84 : when I cut off man from the face of the earth
    11 : When I destroy all mankind from the face of the earth

    1 Timothy 6:2
    84 : they are brothers
    11 : they are fellow believers

    Psalm 101:3
    84 : The deeds of faithless men I hate
    11 : I hate what faithless people do
     
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    Theirs
    1) NET : 10
    2) LEB : 12
    3) NLT : 13
    4) ESV : 14
    5) CSB : 20
    6) NASB : 21
    7) NIV : 22
    8) CEB : 23
    9) NRSV : 25

    Interesting, isn't it? The NLT uses the word less than the NASB.
     
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    Themselves
    1) CSB : 241
    2) NET and NLT : 252
    3) ESV : 271
    4) NIV : 298
    5) NASB & LEB : 306
    6) CEB : 385
    7) NRSV :

    The NIV is right in the middle. It uses the word less than the NASB. The NLT
    uses it 54 less times than the NASB.
     
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    Persons
    1) NLT : 2
    2) NIV : 5
    3) NET : 6
    4) CSB : 8
    5) ESV & NASB : 41
    6) CEB : 66
    7) NRSV : 71

    This has to rearrange your thinking. The ESV and NASB use this word
    eight times more than the NIV, and more than twenty times than the NLT!
     
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    The term brothers and sisters:

    1) NRSV : 99
    2) NET : 118
    3) NIV : 132
    4) CSB : 158
    5) CEB : 181

    Imagine that? The NRSV uses this term less than these other inclusive versions.
    The CSB uses the term 26 more times than the NIV! My, my.
     
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    How aboutNas/Nkjv?
     
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    I have told you repeatedly not to quote a post of mine if you cannot address what's in it. I had
    clearly said that I was dealing with inclusive versions. Got it now? Reading comprehension is very important Y-1.
     
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    Man

    1) NASB : 2849
    2) ESV : 2683
    3) LEB : 2220
    4) CSB : 2101
    5) NRSV : 2044
    6) NET : 2017
    7) NIV : 1989
    8) NLT : 1977
    9) CEB : 1937
     
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    1) NASB :1570
    2) ESV : 1248
    3) NET : 1067
    4) CSB : 1059
    5) NIV : 1027
    6) LEB : 998
    7) NLT : 960
    8) NRSV : 872
    9) CEB : 786

    The NIV is right in the middle. Actually, the NET, CSB, NIV and LEB run neck-to-neck.
     
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    1) NRSV : 5111
    2) NASB : 5057
    3) ESV : 4981
    4) LEB : 4909
    5) NIV : 4816
    6) CSB : 4618
    7) NET : 4357
    8) CEB : 4203
    9) NLT : 3508

    Surprising, isn't it? The NRSV uses the word 'him' more than the NASB and ESV.

    The NIV is right in the middle; edging out the CSB by almost 200 more usages of the word.
     
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    An interesting play of words (a pun) occurs in the opening chapters of Genesis that is underplayed by all the popular English translations.

    The Hebrew word ADAM is a transliteration. The word means mankind, (you might say humanoids or people) and is used as the proper name of the first man. The exact verses where the name changes meaning from human (general noun) to a proper noun is somewhat in dispute.

    The word ADAM is used in Genesis 2:7 along side another word, GROUND, transliterated ADAMAH.

    Man (ADAM) was formed from the dust of the ground (ADAMAH) ...

    or as Robert Alter puts it,
    ...the LORD God fashioned the human, [from] humus from the soil...​

    and others
    ...made earthlings from the earth...​

    Rob
     
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    The NASB was among the first gender proper translations when it began using the word “brethren”, an English gender-inclusive term with a masculine derivation. A perfect choice at that time IMO.

    But times have changed. The newer versions (including the NASB2020) have put aside that word since it has become archaic, opting for clarity in “brothers and sisters”.

    Rob
     
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