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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by asterisktom, Feb 21, 2020.

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  1. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
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    This is new theology to me and brings up many questions.

    How long did Christ stay on earth?

    Are their historic records of this event?

    Do you believe He is going to appear in the future?
     
    #101 Wesley Briggman, Feb 22, 2020
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    happens at essential same time, in twinkling of an eye!
     
    #102 Yeshua1, Feb 22, 2020
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    I think you'll find it is you who does not understand the meaning of "versus." You are seeking to make enemies of those which are, in reality, friends.
     
    #103 Martin Marprelate, Feb 22, 2020
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    #104 Martin Marprelate, Feb 22, 2020
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    I will stick with my reformation hardback, with confessions in back, cost 40 dollars!
     
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    The order is the dead and then the change, ". . . Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. . . ." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.
     
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    Yes, so close together would appear to be at same time!
     
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    You miss the importance of the rapture will never take place before the resurrection of dead in Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:15. And that there is only a second appearing of Christ, Acts of the Apostles 1:11, Hebrews 9:28.
     
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    I hold to the classical premil position on second coming....
     
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    ". . . And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. . . ." Revelation 20:4-5. And when the rapture had occurd, right?
     
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    First resurrection will at time of the Second coming....
     
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    ". . . appear the second time . . . ." Hebrews 9:28. Or more precisely the Second appearing.
     
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    well it is an answer but not a satisfying answer.

    once I believe i offered you this as a possible preterist answer - Entropy will run its course, the "heat death" of the universe which will disintegrate all matter and all biological life will end, thus sin and death as well in fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:10-12?

    This may also take the form of a gamma burst event or a collision with an asteroid or who knows what ...

    Even that leaves me unsatisfied because of several other eschatological and even several scientific issues.
     
    #113 HankD, Feb 22, 2020
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    What's the specific clause in The Confession that upsets the OP's 'preterism' scheme?
     
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    How about the aspect of the Second coming being still yet a future event?
     
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    When the second coming happens, life and history as we now know it both ends!
     
    #116 Yeshua1, Feb 22, 2020
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    Prove your theory. This you have not done. All you have done is make false claims. There is no proof for something that exist in your mind.
    MB
     
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    "adverb
    a word or phrase that modifies or qualifies an adjective, verb, or other adverb or a word group, expressing a relation of place, time, circumstance, manner, cause, degree, etc."

    "In like manner", not in like essence. He was not to come like He was "in the days of His flesh" but in the glory that He had before with the Father.

    So how did He leave? In a cloud. How did He come back? In a cloud. This is all in Scripture. Look it up. You will not find it in the creeds. They seemed to have overlooked that crucial detail.

    And I agree with your points 2 and 3. Also with point 4, except for the clouds parting. You must be thinking of a hymn or something. The symbol of clouds is used differently in Scripture. Perhaps this would be a good thread in itself. Clouds are a very instructive theme to study out.

    So I am not the one following a myth. Not that Christianity is a myth, but the false notion that Christ is still to come physically. It is not borne out by Scripture.
     
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    I have been proving it with Scripture. In this post and in many other threads. Look them up. I am not going to jump through your hoops, seeing that you have not even responded to the verses I brought up.in posts 25 and 27.
     
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    I agree with your last two points. Only one second appearing. And the living and dead are raised up at the same time.

    But this happened already. As Christ and the apostles had promised it happened in the generation to whom the promise was originally given. We still enter into that promise, but not via rapture. After our death we will also be like them.
     
    #120 asterisktom, Feb 22, 2020
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