Featured Monogenes

Other readings on Marlowe's site:
Büchsel on μονογενης
Berkhof on the Eternal Generation of the Son
Parmenides, B 8. 4

 

I think we already beat this horse to death in the previous thread.

 

I agree with @Van BDAG does not only allow for only begotten.

 

Dr. Walter Martin in his Kingdom of the Cults taught that since the Bible nowhere taught the "eternal Son," that eternal generation of the second person of the Trinity was also not Biblical. He taught that that Biblically the Word became the Son in His incarnation, John 1:14; Luke 1:35.

 

The Nicene Creed is wrong teaching, ". . . the only begotten Son of God, begotten from the Father before all ages, light from light, . . ." The unique eternal Son of God is not a "light from light." He is the "True Light," John 1:9; Hebrews 1:3. The teaching "begotten from the Father before all ages," is the basis of Ariaism. That is the reason the creed must qualify "begotten" with "not made." I am a Biblical and philosophical Trinitaran. That the Persons, God the Father, eternal Son of God and the Holy Spirit are the same YHWH.

 

μονογενής is a compond word from μόνος meanig alone and γίνομαι meaning to come into existence.

μονογενής meaning one of a kind.

 

37818 you are confused and have things backwards. your confusion stems from a wrong view of the word "begotten", you keep insisting on framing it in English nuance rather than Koine Greek, you also have a mistaken historical knowledge of Athanasius and the Council of Nicaea.

your statements seem to me to be undisciplined. so rather than injure any good relationship between us i will cede and bow out of the discussion.

perhaps at a later date we might take up the mantle again.

Have you had any formal education in theology, church history, Greek, Hebrew... ?

I will admit that you are probably gifted with a superior mind over mine - i think you would excel in a formal education.

 

Say this does not make your claim true.
If you really think I am confused, then please quote my first false statement. And show why it is wrong. Please do this one step at a time.

 

Got it. You are not willing to answer the question.

 

Got it. Monogenes can only mean what Van says it means. There is no point discussing it further.

 

David, what are you agreeing with here? Thanks.

 

i have issues with engaging too long with a brother when ii seems fruitless.
Again i cede.

some other time.

 

An equivalent of "only begotten" is in the German Luther Bible and the Spanish Reina-Valera, which were translated from the Greek.

 

there is more than one Greek word which translates to "begotten".

 

That BDAG does not necessitate begotten to be used.

 

Thanks, David.

 

The Greek does not mean only "begotten." It was first translated that way in Latin.
Saying that does not make it so.
German Luther Bible, John 3:16 . . . Also hat Gott die Welt geliebet, daß er seinen eingeborenen Sohn gab, auf daß alle, die an ihn glauben, nicht verloren werden, sondern das ewige Leben haben. . . . eingeborenen. native

 

Yes, look at what native means, and also the parts of the word -- geborenen means born. Another indication that Luther intends "only begotten" can be seen in the NGU-DE changing it to einzige, only.

Regardless, we know some Greek speakers used monogenes in the sense of only begotten.