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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Van, Feb 22, 2020.

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  1. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    There is no such thing as "eternally begotten" anywhere in that blessed book! That's philosophy, and in seeking to help God out, it undermines the deity of Christ. Just drop it brethren.

    only begotten Son applies to the begetting of Christ's FLESH and IN TIME, about 2,000 years ago in Israel. That's it!

    • If you place the begetting in time and ascribe that begetting to his flesh - then you preserve the deity of Christ.
    • If you place that begetting in eternity and thus ascribe it to his spirit - then you deny [practically] the deity of Christ.
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    He was eternally begotten by the Father when was the Word, or as the Son !
     
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    Sigh.
     
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    Just reporting from an historical point of view why I believe what I have chosen to believe. I see no problem with "the" virgin Mary. I do with baptismal generation.
     
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    ONLY the originals were fully perfect, so no need to have a perfect English translation, as still infallible in all it teaches to us!
     
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    except that scriptures do support as being viable either translating as one and only, or as only begotten!
     
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    There was always God the Son, who was the Word who became Incarnated as the Man Jesus Christ!
     
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    I'd love to see you show me ONE verse to back that hugely unscriptural claim!
     
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    Is the doctrine of the Trinity heretical George? The Council of Nicea was where it was first declared.
     
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    except that the scriptures said only begotten...
     
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    They had no issues with only begotten, as to them meant that Jesus was eternally very God of very God!
     
  12. George Antonios

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    My point was that just because the Nicene Creed said it doesn't make it true.
    If you don't have a problem with "The Virgin" that tells me you probably don't have a Catholic background, at least you weren't a practicing one.
     
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    Are these specific centers where Muslims are being taught? Thanks.
     
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    The Holy spirit directly inspired only the writers of the original documents, as no derived inspiration in play!
     
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    Mary was a Virgin, mother of Jesus, correct?
     
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    ONE. VERSE. WAITING.
     
  17. George Antonios

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    Mary was "a virgin", she is not the entitled "The Virgin" which ascribes two things to her 1) deity and 2) perpetual virginity.
    But a non-Catholic or non-Orthodox with an evangelical background would not pick up on that, but for us, it's an ear-bomb.
     
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    the inspiration applied only to his Apostles, as canon was closed with John death , correct?
     
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    I was indeed Catholic. and yes a practicing Catholic (through Confirmation).

    I love Mary I don't worship her.
    I see the definite article as proper because she was chosen as the mother of our Lord from among all the virgins of Israel.
     
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    ONE. VERSE. WAITING.
     
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