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I have to say that your view is not orthodox.

 

Whoa wait what is it that you think it is to be alive in the Spirit?

 

Martin Marprelate said;

Read this carefully
Psa 51:5 Lo, in iniquity I have been brought forth, And in sin doth my mother conceive me.
David was made in iniquity and in sin was born this does not say David was born a sinner

Psa 58:3 The wicked have been estranged from the womb, They have erred from the belly, speaking lies.
Notice David does not call them sinners. Babies have no understanding of the Law therefore they are not held accountable

Pro 16:4 All things hath Jehovah wrought for Himself, And also the wicked worketh for a day of evil

This says nothing about Adam.
Babies err they can't sin because they don't understand the Law which is why Paul saaid;
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
MB

 

Hank D said;

Notice this says that Adam was dying and that he would die. It does not say he died spiritually

All things are establish by two or three witnesses. You have one witness this is not established.
MB

 

Um the ot saints were not indwelt as the church is but that does not make them spiritually dead. Cant hold them to the church standard. That is not hiw God worked with them

 

I didnt say anything about being dependent on Christ. If course they were.

 

But we are talking about pre fall adam who was not dependent on Christ

 

The thing about Adam and Eve is that they were holy as God is holy.
When they sinned, that state of holiness was lost.
What we see, however, is that their lost state was short lived. God manifested Himself in the garden and quickly, by His Sovereign will, chose to extend grace to Adam and Eve.
Like with all the elect, God chose to redeem Adam and Eve. He could have chosen to kill them instantly and start all over with a new holy race of humanity, but instead God extended His Amazing, saving, Grace.
When God says "dying you shall die", God is referring to the flesh dying, not to Adam and Eve's spirit. Their spirit is held in the gracious hands of God; redeemed unto eternity by Christ Jesus atoning sacrifice.

david, has accurately questioned how a person who had no spirit to begin with could then become spiritually dead. The answer is...that person couldn't. That person would need to have a spirit that was alive in order for that person to die spiritually.
Being made in the image of God, Adam and Eve would, like God, have a spirit. When we see them sin, we see that spirit being tainted and corrupted, but as soon as God chooses to redeem them their spirits are graciously restored to relationship with the Creator.

If JonC wants to promote the "golem" theory, so be it. It's a quirky take on Adam and Eve that little to none will hold. Jon, feel free to live on that island if you wish.

 

This is conjecture. The Bible does not say Adam and Eve were holy. They were tempted. They sinned. God is holy. God cannot be tempted. God cannot sin.

James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

JonC's contention is that Adam and Eve were not spiritually alive before the Fall and the idea of them suffering a spiritual death is not found in scripture. No one has refuted this with scripture. Instead, a whole lot of logical reasoning has been employed to reach these conclusions.

Their relationship was restored with the Creator? No, they were banned from the Garden of Eden. Adam was forced to toil and work to till the land and Eve was to bear pain in childbirth.

Where does the Bible state that God redeemed A&E's spirits?

Your golem theory is a big strawman.

 

Yalls mistake is thinking if its not explicitly stated then it cant be. You misunderstand scripture.

Now I ask you. How do you understand being spiritually alive?

 

When God finished his creation He said "It is good." Would God call anything that is not holy..."good?"

Adam and Eve are made in the image of God. Is God Spirit? Would God create a non-spiritual being and say it was made in the image of God?

You and Jon are both arguing from silence by claiming that since you don't see the term spirit discussed in Genesis 1-3, Adam and Eve could not therefore have a spirit.

The Hebrew definition of a golem fits with Jon's view.

 

Spiritually alive means a person has been justified by God, their sins forgiven, and has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

 

This whole post shows you do not believe in scripture as it is. You insist on your interpretation as truth and your interpretation goes directly against scripture by your adding to and taking away. You certainly haven't proven anyone wrong but your own post proves you wrong.
MB

 

Well, he called his creation "very good". He called land animals and sea creatures good (Gen. 1:21, Gen. 1:25) Elephants are not holy. Whales are not holy.

Constructing hypothetical questions is not an argument.

Another strawman.