Hobie
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I havent really seen that idea as sin is sin, but the point is the Law is still in place. It is what shows us sin, the only difference is now we can go directly to Christ, our High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary.
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The Old Covenant and the New Covenant are the same Law..
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True, it is intentional on our parts out of love and fear for Who He is what He did to Love us. So, thank you for correcting. I should remember it isnt regeneration alone.
Will you respond to my points?
Hobie
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Scripture tells us...
Hebrews 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
He is the same, and so is His Law, it is unchanging. It does not say you can worship a graven image or idol, just because you are not a Jew. The same with the Sabbath, Jesus made it for man at Creation, not a Jew, and so it is for all the Commandments.
What saves us? keeping the law and the Sabbath, or by trusting in the finished work of Christ?
Doesn't God have wisdom far beyond ours? In His wisdom He has made two covenants, the one of works of the Law and the one of grace through faith in Jesus Christ and His Cross. The new covenant replaces the old. Now, the Law is not void because of this, for those who sin defiantly while "saved" have nothing to look forward to. Their fate is the eternal fire. Because of this we should all have a healthy terror of what God can do to us if we are found not to be His. However, the early church of the apostles has already argued about the issue of Gentiles and the keeping of the Torah. Only four statutes of the Torah were left in force. Please read Acts 15.
(Romans 11:33-36, Isaiah 55:8-9, Romans 4:19-31, Hebrews 8:6-13, Romans 4:5-8, Matthew 5:17-18, Psalms 36:1, 1 John 2:1-6, Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Peter 1:3-11, Acts of the Apostles 15:1-34)
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Hobie
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You are saved by faith, but the fruits of the Spirit then show itself, as you come closer to Christ and truly get to know Him. Scripture tells us, what is faith alone without works...
James 2:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
You fail to demonstrate that your private interpretations are sound, consistent, and scriptural. You may jump to erroneous conclusions because of your preconceived Seventh-Day Adventist teachings that you blindly accept and repeat unless you think that you are an infallible pope. Perhaps you make an invalid comparison since you do not prove your human reasoning to be correct. Perhaps you oversimplify and overgeneralize to the point that your claims become incorrect. Perhaps you misunderstand or misinterpret Hebrews 13:8.
Are you claiming that the human body of the Lord Jesus Christ was 100% absolutely the same after the Resurrection as it was before the crucifixion?
Do you claim that no additional revelation and no additional word of God was given after the giving of the law to Moses?
If the new covenant was absolutely the same as the old covenant, there would be no new covenant.
Will not keeping Jewish Sabbath cause one to lose salvation?
Hobie
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Well, what does scripture say from the Revelation of Jesus Christ...
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
That would mean yes as per you!
Hobie
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What does scripture say, dont take what I say.
Scriptures say NOTHING about Christians keeping jewish Sabbath!
Hobie
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Acts 13:42-44 King James Version (KJV)
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
There was not yet the clear break between Judaism and Christianity, once there was, then Christians met together to worship and be taught Sunday!
Hobie
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Very true, all were Christians till the church at Rome allowed the apostasy to creep in.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
You do not just post what one translation of the Scriptures says. You add your biased opinions and interpretation to it.
The Church of England makers of the KJV had their own biases which influenced and affected their textual criticism decisions, Bible revision decisions, and translation decisions, but you ignore that fact.
You avoid or ignore what other English Bible translations say. Other English Bibles are a translation of the Scriptures in the same sense as the KJV is.
Still a future event!
There was no apostasy, just a correct reading of the scriptures and the following of the traditions of the newly forming Christian church that had been established. No regeneration of the Christian church was needed, especially not one by the Adventists , a group that didn't show up until the 1800's.
The Reformation was sent by God, as the true Gospel almost had died out being held and taught by Rome, and at Trent, Rome officially declared they now held and taught another and false Gospel!