I'm preaching salvation to people who are not saved so they can live a victorious saved life?
I'm pretty sure we preach salvation to keep them out of hell.
Fully agree with point # 1
IMHO - # 2 is the icing on the cake!
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I'm preaching salvation to people who are not saved so they can live a victorious saved life?
I'm pretty sure we preach salvation to keep them out of hell.
". . . everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: . . ." -- Matthew 25:41. ". . . the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, . . ." -- Revelation 20:10.So to answer the question where is Hell, the answer is no where.
Footnote of NET on "hell" (Matthew 5:22)
The word translated hell is “Gehenna” (γέεννα, geenna), a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew words ge hinnom (“Valley of Hinnom”). This was the valley along the south side of Jerusalem. In OT times it was used for human sacrifices to the pagan god Molech (cf. Jer 7:31; 19:5-6; 32:35), and it came to be used as a place where human excrement and rubbish were disposed of and burned. In the intertestamental period, it came to be used symbolically as the place of divine punishment (cf. 1 En. 27:2, 90:26; 4 Ezra 7:36).
So to answer the question where is Hell, the answer is no where.
My point is that "Hell" cannot be found in scripture. What is found are names like Gehenna, Lake of Fire, Abyss, Hades, Everlasting fire, but no "Hell." It is a made up name. Where the Gehenna is Gehenna, or where the Hades is Hades, or where is the Abyss, or Lake of Fire, or Everlasting Fire is the question we should ask.". . . everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: . . ." -- Matthew 25:41. ". . . the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, . . ." -- Revelation 20:10.
"Hell" is a made up name, not found in scripture. And it confuses the issue because both Hades and Gehenna, two very different places, are translated as if the same place - Hell. The "Everlasting Fire" exists, as scripture proclaims, but if you want to give it a name, call if Gehenna or Lake of Fire.Well, actually, it IS somewhere. It's already prepared, originally for the devil & his angels. (Matt. 25:41) Most likely, it's in another dimension, I. E. the spirit world.
I see you coulld use the "interlinear" box on any of the verses listed and find (NT) Gehenna and Hades, and (OT) Sheol. So please tell me, when we die, if unsaved, do we go to Hades or Gehenna first? If all you know is the lost go to Hell, you cannot answer the question. Then try to explain this verse as rendered in the KJV:Hell is in the KJV 54 times
Hades is the first place the lost are confined, a jail so to speak, that holds people until the trial (Judgement) and then they go to their destruction in the Lake of Fire.I like the way Jack Van Impine (sp) mentioned -
Hell is the county jail - waiting final judgment
Lake of Fire is the Prison - after conviction
Actually the eternal state of the lost sinner is death/non-existence. They are destroyed in the Lake of Fire.Hell is eternal state of the lost sinner
No kidding, but unless you are KJVO, you recognize that the text in the original languages should be our highest guide to understanding, not a 400-year-old translation in obsolete English where the translators used their own theology as a guide to inconsistently translate four different words for "hell."Hell is in the KJV 54 times
Second death is Lake of Fire, and those in there are forever, not just smoked and gone! Revelation 14:11No kidding, but unless you are KJVO, you recognize that the text in the original languages should be our highest guide to understanding, not a 400-year-old translation in obsolete English where the translatorlake of Fire, and bible states that those in there are there forever, not just smoked and gone!s used their own theology as a guide to inconsistently translate four different words for "hell."
No kidding, but unless you are KJVO, you recognize that the text in the original languages should be our highest guide to understanding, not a 400-year-old translation in obsolete English where the translators used their own theology as a guide to inconsistently translate four different words for "hell."
Hopefully you have understood that "Hell" is a made up name, but Hades, Gehenna, Lake of Fire and Eternal Fire are found in scripture. You cannot say "Hell" is the Lake of Fire or Gehenna, because the mistranslation in the KJV also renders Hades, and Sheol as "Hell."I posted that only because Van said in post 25, "My point is that "Hell" cannot be found in scripture. ...."
Hopefully you have understood that "Hell" is a made up name, but Hades, Gehenna, Lake of Fire and Eternal Fire are found in scripture. You cannot say "Hell" is the Lake of Fire or Gehenna, because the mistranslation in the KJV also renders Hades, and Sheol as "Hell."
There is no "Hell" in reality, only Hades, Gehenna, Abyss, Lake of Fire, Eternal Fire and Sheol. Citing mistranslations as if they support the existence of "Hell" does not move the ball. How many times did you find "Hell" in YLT?What I understand is that "hell" is in the KJV Bible 54 times, 32 times in the NKJV, 13 times in the NIV, 13 times in the NASB, and 14 times in the ESV.
and I never said that Hell is the Lake of Fire!
There is no "Hell" in reality,How many times did you find "Hell" in YLT?