Featured World 3:16

Reynolds;

Well yes indeed. The cross is the center-piece of redemptive history so eventually, we can not leave any stone unturned. We will get there.

10 He was in the world,

and the world was made by him,

and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Now the discussion here in John one goes from light, and world, to HIS OWN

Do you agree that is some sort of reference to national Israel, in contrast to "the world"?





Jn3
15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,

16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

 

Reynolds, Do you notice how much we agree on?
Believers should have more we agree on, than disagree.
Regardless of what position we hold, on any topic, I think walking through it like this is beneficial.
We have set some basic groundwork, now we cal put more things on the table.

 

This is in part true.
Let's explore this a bit more.
I suggest before we try and solve the puzzle, let's look at it and raises more concerns.
I will be more specific in a few minutes.

 

Agreed again.
This in part is due to different levels of growth and maturity, sometimes a lack of proper study which leads to emotional outbursts and reactions

 

InTheLight,

Hello ITL

,
I agree in part. What I mean is this one verse by itself is showing that contrast. I do not think in the long run this is going to be the case.let me offer a few reasons why;

Redemptive History as we know it has been progressively revealed by God throughout the 66 books. I think we can frame out not only this verse, but a larger framework, before we try to "solve the puzzle".
Do you agree?

You already know where I am going to come down on this, as I have not posted in secret.
Now Reynolds and I are trying to walk through and see where we agree and eventually we will get to where we differ,
I think if we all do this we can all profit. If we agree overall or not is up to God, but I think going through and thinking it out will be a helpful exercise.

 

I see early on in John's gospel that he agrees with Paul in Romans 1-3 that spiritual death is universal, so the extent of the cure is also intended to go worldwide, not just to be in Israel.
They thought it was only for them because of their privilege;

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

mt10:
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Acts13:
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

 

It's like the guy who jumped off the hundred story skyscraper and someone had the window open they heard them on the way down and the guy goes hey how you doing so far so good as he passed the 65th floor

 

Reynolds ,you had posted this link;
The Five articles of Remonstrance refers to the document drawn up in 1610 by the followers of Jacobus Arminius (1560-1609). A "remonstrance" is literally "an expression of opposition or protest," which in this case was a protest against the Calvinist doctrine of predestination contained in the Belgic Confession. Consequently, those followers of Arminius who drafted this protest were given the name "Remonstrants."

This document was condemned as heresy by the reformed churches at the Synod of Dort, 1618-1619. [1]

Let's investigate why it was considered heresy. [so kyred will not get nervous,lol]

Article 1
That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of the fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for Christ’s sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace of the Holy Ghost, shall believe on this his son Jesus, and shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of the Gospel in John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,” and according to other passages of Scripture also. [2]


Not a bad statement, what do you think here...?

 

The phrase....those who through the grace of the Holy Ghost,shall believe....is a bit vague in its wording.

 

Article 2 is wrong from start to finish