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Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by Steven_15, Apr 24, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    No, but should follow scripture guidelines on discipline!
     
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    Peter challenges us as believers to work out our own salvation as does James. We are accountable for our sanctification (along w the Spirit working in us). In justification, we are totally dependent (at the mercy of/on) God
     
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    To have that couple in obedience to the Moral law of God is to obey the Lord!
     
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    When the church committee knows what the moral law is, and yet claim they are not sinless rather than shed blood in order to live sinlessly, aren't they living in blatant sin?
     
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    Faith which is supplied by God to His elect will be seen in the elect. Thus they would say "it's God's will to protect me" rather than "if it's God's will He will protect me".
     
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    If the church committee knows what the moral law is, they should first live in perfect compliance to it according to Mathew 5:48, before preaching it to others.
     
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    Bible never talks about works based salvation.
     
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    Phil 2:12. It is addressed to believers
     
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    Phil2:12 exhorts to work or use salvation to do good deeds and not to do good deeds to earn salvation.
     
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    Justification is a work wrought by God through the Spirit ONLY. It is monorgistic

    Sanctification is the Spirit working in is to bring about true godliness
     
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    I have never said that good works result in salvation
     
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    Acts 15:9: "He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith".

    Sanctification is also through faith in His grace.
     
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    So your good works result in your sanctification?
    Are you sinless?
     
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    Its not hard man. Noone is sinless
     
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    If faith in Christ's atonement certainly leads to salvation, why do you trust in good deeds to lead you to sanctification when none is going to be sinless?
     
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    Surely, you do not believe in let go and let God

    The Bible makes it clear that we are to foresake every form of evil ie adultery, drunkesness, pornography etc
     
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    You haven't yet agreed in letting go sins to become sinless.
    Instead you justify your lack of sinlessness and preach about sinlessness!
    When you accuse other christians of sins by rejecting grace for sanctification, remember you are heaping hellfire upon yourself.
     
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    It is not the will of God for all to be healthy wealthy!
    Jesus prayed for the will of the father to be done, as do James, and your view goes against them!
     
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    Are you living per the OT law perfectly?
     
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