Featured ? - Gen 1:31

For the record I believe two things about the creation. I believe in an very old universe. I accept the Genesis account to be literally true, 7 actual earth days.

 

Yes, most gappers do. They search in vain to reconcile the Bible with man's teachings of millions of years. They completely ignore/miss the straightforward teaching of the text.

 

The reason folks use the term "arranged for the Fall" rather than "predestined the Fall" is to avoid God being the author of Adam's choice to sin. God's plan was to allow (not cause) Adam to sin by providing the opportunity and temptation such that Adam would choose of his own volition to sin. And yes, before creation God had chosen His Redeemer, so God anticipated the Fall, and the consequences of the Fall.

 

Hypercalviists believe God arranged the fall. Calvinists say he responded to it.

 

Not only planned it, but planned for the punishment to last 6000 years. Then in the spirit of 3, divided that 6000 years into 3 2000 year periods. Then God set up the Nations, Israel, and the church to work in and for God in each period. God allowed 1000 perfect years between day 6 and placing Adam, after naming him, in the Garden, and then 1000 perfect years at the end.

It is Satan's virtual reality deception that created a round earth, a solar system, and caused modern humans to think we are in a 14 billion year old universe. It is all done by math which is just a concrete way to view virtual reality. Math cannot lie or change, but it can create virtual reality that only exist in the mind.

Not that God cannot create a real universe. God just did not do it in this universe.

 

Why put the Tree in the Garden if not for food? Why allow Satan to tempt? Arranged is accurate.

 

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours. Let's leave it that I do not share it.

 

Because freedom is good and choices are good.

 

I agree, God arranging the Fall was "very Good." God does not miss the mark, even by a smidgen.

 

This is a lie. God did not cause Adam's fall. Adam was not created with a sin nature.

 

Note folks the absurd and ludicrous claim that by God arranging for the Fall, God "caused" the fall, rather than Adam choosing to sin.

The reason folks use the term "arranged for the Fall" rather than "predestined the Fall" is to avoid God being the author of Adam's choice to sin. God's plan was to allow (not cause) Adam to sin by providing the opportunity and temptation such that Adam would choose of his own volition to sin. And yes, before creation God had chosen His Redeemer, so God anticipated the Fall, and the consequences of the Fall.

 

Note Van's distinction without a difference. God did not cause the fall. Adam's fall was not inevitable.

And all this because Van doesn't want to accept the straightforward Genesis account.

 

Note the edit to avoid the thread topic, and then the misrepresentation of my view?

The reason folks use the term "arranged for the Fall" rather than "predestined the Fall" is to avoid God being the author of Adam's choice to sin. God's plan was to allow (not cause) Adam to sin by providing the opportunity and temptation such that Adam would choose of his own volition to sin. And yes, before creation God had chosen His Redeemer, so God anticipated the Fall, and the consequences of the Fall.

 

.....to pretend there's a distinction, when there really isn't.

Van, normally an opponent of Calvinism, is wading in fatalistic waters, because it's the only way he can add millions of years to the very clear young earth creation account.

 

Why not stick with one false doctrine? You have repeated the false charge, several times, that I lean toward "fatalism." Utterly false.

Or do I claim I know the earth is more than a billion years old, or less than 7000 years old? Nope, so more deflection, more smoke screen, more non-stop absurdity.

 

Hey, got you back in the first person. Too bad, that third person thing was fun.

And I stand by my statement. You speak in fatalistic terms, while trying to deny it with phony distinctions. And you insist the Bible does not teach young earth.

That's 2 errors in likely a larger snowball of errors.

 

There is a back story not directly told to us. Note, John 8:44 and Matthew 25:41.

 

More utterly false statements. Only an intellectual lightweight would post falsehoods non-stop. See you are not the only one who could make false statements about an opponent.

Does believing Job 38 mean the earth is not young? Nope - so more of the endless false statements from a crippled mind. That is why his posts are one big snow-ball of errors.

See how the use of mindless ad hominems voids any actual discussion of doctrine?