Featured Does God have active Wrath towards lost sinners in judgement?

On and on, deflection after deflection. PSA is false doctrine. Christ "bought" both those to be saved and those never to be saved, 2 Peter 2:1 To claim Christ died only for the specific sins of the elect supposedly chosen before creation is a monstrous falsehood, denying the very grace of God.

 

Well so is saying God sanctified those He predestined. Is not sanctification specific?

Either Atonement happened one time for every single descendant of Adam equally, or it did nothing. Any statements that start signaling out any particular human will not work, and are false. Can one person out sin any other person? Who is the judge?

Yes God keeps track, and yes God judges each individual. But when Atonement is applied, at the end, it is by each person, not each sin the person did. All works are burned up, and what is left does not save a person either.

 

What people think and the doctrines they come up with cannot change Scripture. If you think that Universalism applies to my quote, you have a wrong interpretation of my quote. Universalism claims all will not be lost. That is not what my post states, nor implies.

 

Asked and answered more than a dozen times, yet Y1 repeats the question and ignores the answer we were chosen corporately, thus in Him.

 

Utter nonsense with no reference to scripture. How about 2 Peter 2:1, where Christ bought to going to destruction? How about desires all to be saved? How about laid down His life as a ransom for all. Your view is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Providing the means of salvation for all mankind does not equate with God choosing individuals through faith in the truth. Two different actions of God.

And God did not predestine anyone to salvation, He predestined those in Christ to (1) one be conformed to the image of Christ, and (2) to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

 

Regardless of your opinion and lack of your own proof in Scripture, they are one and the same. One Atonement, One God, and One Plan.

 

Why, folks, do posters misrepresent the views and posts of others. Note the lack of any quote.

Did I prove Christ died for those to be saved and those never to be saved citing 2 Peter 2:1? Yes
Did I prove Christ became the means of salvation for all mankind? Nope. However 1 John 2:2 says Christ became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world, referring in my view to all mankind.
Did I prove God predestined believers to be conformed to the image of Christ? Nope, I did not cite Romans 8:29.
Did I prove God predestined believers to be redeemed at Christ's second coming? Nope, I did not cite Ephesians 1:5, Ephesians 1:11, Ephesians 1:14 and Romans 8:23. But these prove our predestined "adoption" and "inheritance" refers to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

OTOH, was Christ dying once for all in dispute? Nope. Was the fact there is only One God in dispute? Nope Was the idea that God had only one redemption plan in dispute? Nope. Deflection therefore from A to Z. Only after a person is placed "in Christ" are they washed of their sins by the blood of the Lamb, thus (1) Christ died for all, and (2) only those placed in Christ benefit from Christ's provision of the means of salvation.

 

I did not call your post utter nonsense. I said regardless. Do you realize that the church is the responsible party? Those not saved is our responsibility. I am not deflecting. I was warning that being too specific is not God’s Will.

If you have no clue who is saved and who is not saved, you will be fine. You will be prepared. You will be doing your best to repent and pray that all humans will come to repentance.

The time for doctrine and theology is over. No more playing church, and enjoying life. No, I did not say stop going to church. I said stop playing church.

It matters now more than ever, that all repent and turn to God.

 

God being infinitely perfect, holy, and just cannot just overlook our sins or turn aside from His justice by forgiving our sins, or declaring us to be righteous in His verdict as Judge without payment made for our transgressions of His righteous Law and government. Who can a righteous God, a righteous Judge pardon the guilty? "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to Jehovah." (Proverbs 17:15 ASV)
In order to be both just and not violate His own justice God and justify the unrighteous God sent His Son to the the propitiation (satisfaction) for our sins. It is said of Jesus, "whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus." (Romans 3:25-26 ASV)

 

timtofly,

Not Adam, but seed of Abraham;
Heb2
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;
but he took on him the seed of Abraham.