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Does God Choose Man or Man Choose God?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Miss E, Jul 21, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

    Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    Yes but you have to recieve the atonement . Rom 5 .11
     
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    The "T," "U," "L." and "I" of the TULIP are false doctrines. I agree that Once Saved, Always Saved is Biblical Doctrine, and that Christ died for all mankind is Biblical Doctrine, and that God chooses (elects) those whose faith He credits as righteousness is Biblical Doctrine.

    So I am a one point Calvinist, a two point Arminian, and a three point Bible student, or so I like to think. :)
     
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  3. Miss E

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    I don't take orders from anyone but God, so don't go on telling me what I should and should not do.

    I have provided my scriptural support, pointed out how ya'lls scripture evidence is out of context, and give you simple analogies to depict a just, all-powerful and merciful God, while you choose to worship a God that controls His creation like a dictator. Plain as that, you just refuse to acknowledge that is what you and so many other blind Calvinists believe.

    But as with all debates on our views, as long as you have trusted in Jesus, whether you believe God chose your salvation or you received it through faith by your own heart/head, then it's all good. Thanks for the conversations. I will stand my ground however, and continue to study the Word in my studies at seminary.

    By the by, who is throwing a tantrum here? I'm having a civil conversation, albeit, rebuking while I do it because that is what the Bible commands me to do with false teachings and sinners.
     
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    For God so LOVED THE WORLD, that He sent His only begotten son.

    Yup. That sounds like everyone.
     
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    Agreed. But if TULIP is an accurate representation of those things, the acronym isn't the offense. If TULIP is NOT an accurate representation of those things, but is an accurate representation of someone's views, the acronym still isn't the offense. Thus, it is easier to use the acronym. The question is whether TULIP is the accurate representation of biblical truth, and if you agree with it as biblical, and I don't, dispensing with the acronym is less than helpful.

    Shall we discuss the corruption of the human spirit first?
     
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  6. Miss E

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    The human spirit is corrupt from birth due to sin, but once a sinner realizes he is a sinner and repents and trusts Jesus, God gives a new heart, a heart of flesh, taking out he heart of stone, so then we are no longer condemned, but saints in Christ and low, children of God. :)
     
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    Please tell me how everyone has the chance (Everyone.Period) to believe when billions have lived and died without ever hearing the gospel?

    There only two options. You believe people can be saved through general revelation, and/or you believe the gospel is not necessary for salvation.

    I understand how frustrated you seem to be and how reluctant to meditate on the logical conclusion conclusions of your statements.

    I really don’t think it necessary to continue this discussion. However, if you want to look at this some more in a civil discussion, I am willing.

    Peace to you
     
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  8. Miss E

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    I have been perfectly civil, It's not my fault you don't like being proven wrong.

    The gospel is necessary for salvation, and all have a chance to hear it. Indeed, all have the ability to hear it today, or read it, in some fashion. Do I think all people heard the Gospel in all of history? No. But that is a fault of man's sin, who kept himself from hearing it to know God for they did not seek God, for they were sinful. But those who do seek Him out in faith will find him I believe.
     
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    Yes!
     
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    The Holy Spirit Convicts the WORLD of sin righteousness and Judgement .
     
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    What does that corruption consist of? How does one corrupt a spirit?
     
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    It seems the only level-headed believers here are myself, Barry Johnson, and Van,. Thank you brothers for having my back.
     
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    Hm, from knowing right from wrong and choosing to do wrong despite knowing right? I"m not quite sure. That is deep thinking there. What do you think?
     
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    Sure. Let's start a new topic. How Corrupt is the Human Spirit and how much corruption is acceptable before God is needed?

    I'll create the topic. You respond.
     
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    Who is it that believes? Does everyone believe, universally?
    If not, and many never hear the gospel message, does God still hold them accountable for not believing what they never knew?
     
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    If Jesus died for the sins of all, and paid for them, would those in Hell be there despite having been atoned for?
     
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    The reason eternal security works though is due to the 5 points of Grace all working together!
     
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    Again, does he send the Holy Spirit to enable all lost sinners to be saved, and its them blocking the work and effort of God to save them?
     
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    How can those who desire and nature is to reject God though submit to Him?
     
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    How much of us was affected by the fall?
     
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