A Complaint About A Lack of Logic

If I am following, you are saying on that day your death will become certain. Rather than you will spiritually die and later physically die. Interesting.

 

This is exactly right. For three years Shimei did not cross the Brook Kidron, and for three years Solomon did not have him executed. But in the day that he did so, his fate was sealed. As with Shimei, so with Adam.

 

You are simply wrong about this Jon. This is not my argument, this is a well-known Hebrew idiom which denotes certainty, not immediacy. As MM mentioned, we have another example of this exact phrase in the Shemei Solomon account. I would invite you to read up on this.

Why did Adam not Die Immediately?
Alden Bass (Apologetics Press)

Why Didn’t Adam and Eve Die the Instant They Ate the Fruit?
Bodie Hodge (Answer in Genesis)

Genesis 2:17—“you shall surely die”
Dr. Terry Mortenson (Answers in Genesis)

 

I think you need to look at the text to understand how 'living things' are described in the Bible.
Genesis 7:4b. '....I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.' Yet God did not destroy the fish or the crops. Genesis 7:22 again: 'All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, all that was on the dry land, perished.' 'Breath of life' is the key. Fish and plants do not breath in the same way that animals and birds do.

 

As I understand it, the dying you will die, does not suggest in any way that spiritual death did not occur on that day. Only that death was certain, and therefore the fact physical death occurred later is a non problem.

 

Also blood is a definer of life.

Lev. 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.

Lev. 17:14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.”

Deut. 12:23 But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat.​

 

Correct. The passage is not speaking of spiritual death per se, but in no way takes away from the reality of Adam's spiritual death.

 

There are plant fossilization from the flood as well as sea animals. Plants provide what is needed for that breath of life, as well as the green plant sea plankton.

 

In a word, wrong.

 

Equating The Doctrines of God in The Bible with the name of a man is Total Dravaity exhibited.

 

Indeed. And He expects us to use it.

There was no death (see post #65) until the Fall for the very good reason that there was no sin. To call Adam 'immortal' is probably a redundancy. Death did not exist. 'Therefore just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin.' 'For if by the one man's offense death reigned.....' Death came with, and on account of, sin. At the end of the Sixth Day, God pronounced the world 'very good.' There was no sin in it and therefore, no death.

The consequences of Adam's sin were cataclysmic. The whole world was changed. 'For the creation was subject to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it......'

Adam became a sinner and so did all his posterity, and death and decay came into the world. Compare Genesis 5:1 with Genesis 5:3. Before the Fall, there was no procedure to deal with sin. Adam and Eve had no covering for their sin, but that didn't matter because there was no sin. As soon as they fell into sin, they realised their need for a covering, but a man-made covering is totally unacceptable to a holy God (Isaiah 64:6). So God supplied a covering for the pair (Genesis 3:21), and for that to happen one or more innocent creatures had to die, thereby establishing the doctrine that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.

God placed a curse on all creation (see above), but He also revealed the plan that had been there from all eternity to satisfy His righteous anger against sin. In Adam, all is sin and judgement; in Christ, all is righteousness and mercy. Compare Genesis 3:18a with Isaiah 55:13. The Lord Jesus wore the thorns upon His brow.

If you stick with the Bible you can see that the Fall brought about the most immense changes imaginable, that to Adam being one. You simply need to read the Bible with spiritual eyes.

Adam was already in an undying state. death was something alien to him. God told him that if he sinned, he would die, and he did. I am not interested in your faulty,earthbound human logic. If you tell your son that if he doesn't tidy his room you will ground him, he doesn't reply, "Dad, you're going to ground me anyway, so there's no point in my tidying my room."

What IF Adam did not eat of the fruit but got drunk and killed Eve. By your standard God would be powerless. The point is your argument is wrong. I think that most can at least see it is wrong.[/QUOTE]

 

"And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image;"

 

I think you slid off the rails somewhere along the line. Let's not waste bandwidth and try to get somewhere with this.

 

You are correct, in the day you eat, dying thou shalt surely die.
Spiritual death on the spot, physical death to follow.