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Featured Two Witnesses of Revelation Will Appear in 2023

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  1. gaviria.christian

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    There will be two prophets that will appear in two different cities on the earth, in 5996 YB in the spring of 2023 AD, which is 3 and 1/2 years prior to the year 6000 YB in the autumn of 2026 AD. They are the "two witnesses" of Revelation. They will be dressed in sackcloth, to symbolize the wailing and death associated with the second coming of Yeshuah. They will prophesy for 1,260 days from the morning of Nisan 15, 5996 YB after the Passover in Nisan 14, to the morning of Tishri 6, 5999 YB. Which is just before the 7th trumpet blast in Tishri 7. Which is when Yeshuah will begin to rule the earth. That is why they are mentioned in between the 6th trumpet blast and the 7th in the book of Revelation, for that is when they are appointed to die. They are last warning to the entire world of the imminent second coming of Yeshuah that happens around 3 and 1/2 years after they begin prophesying. And their death will be at the final day before Yeshuah begins to rule earth. And these two prophets will have great power to bring plagues against the world. For just as Yeshuah had a forerunner in his first coming, which was John the Baptist, who came in humility just as Yeshuah first came in humility, so in likewise manner Yeshuah has 2 forerunners in his second coming. Which are the two witnesses of Revelation, who come in power just as Yeshuah returns in power. These two prophets will even be more powerful than Moses, for the power revealed through Moses was only localized to one city and the people of Israel, whereas the power revealed through these two prophets will be global, striking the world with plagues, which the world has never seen done by prophets. The world will be astonished, and will fear them, yet will not understand. And these two prophets will also shut the heaven so that it doesn't rain during the time of their prophesying. So there will be global drought beginning in 2023 AD, that will progressively get worse day by day. Which will slowly cause global famine. They will be hated by the world, because of their plagues, and because the message they will speak will be contrary to the many lies the world has been deceived by. And even many believers will not recognize them, for they will also not initially prophesy from Jerusalem as many of them expect. They will prophesy from two different cities and establish two different assemblies, for that is why they are also called the "two lampstands". Which is one reason there are "two" witnesses, and not just one witness, so that a warning may be given to the entire world from two separate prophets in two different cities. For if the warning to the world were coming from only one city, there would only be need for one prophet, and not two standing side by side in the same city giving the same message. Which will not be what the world will expect, for many expect them to appear in Jerusalem, which is where at the end of their appointed time to prophesy they will die. And one will be Hebrew and the other a Gentile. Which is why they are also called the "two olives". And the world will seek to kill them. Yet anyone who tries to harm them during the 1,260 days they are appointed to prophesy will be incinerated with fire. And then, once their time to prophesy has been completed, they will be killed in Jerusalem. They will be killed by the newly formed United States of Europe. Then they will be resurrected 3 and 1/2 days later in the Day of Atonement in Tishri 10. Which is when the first resurrection of the dead will happen. And they will be taken to meet Yeshuah in the air, along with all other believers that will also be gathered on this same day to be taken to Yeshuah.

    The Identity of the Two Witnesses and Two Olives of Revelation | Wisdom of God
     
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    You are date-setting the return of Christ which the Bible says is impossible - ergo, you teaching is a false one.
     
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    You people have no understanding of the Torah nor its appointed. Which is why you are as clueless as dogs. And growl when pearls are offered to you, like ravenous dogs.
     
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    On the contrary, I happen to love the Torah, as well as the Tanakh. My father taught me to love it. His studies and teaching of the entire Old Testament greatly influenced me as a child and still do today. He died two years ago and I am 58 and I STILL cannot study and learn enough of the Old Testament.

    Here is all that I can tell you. Christ said in Matthew 24, his teaching of the signs of his return, that NO MAN knows the time of his return, not even angels, not even the Son, himself. ONLY the Father knows. And if you read Matthew, chapter 24 - you will find out that there is a reason for the ignorance of the dates and times.

    NO MAN knows - that means you, too. You don't know and I don't know.

    To claim that you know dates and times of Christ's return is just in blatant error.
     
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    Oh you foolish believer. You have not understood why Yeshuah said this. The believers almost 2,000 years ago did not know if Yeshuah would return 100 years after his first coming, or 200 years, or 500 years, or 1,000 years. It is like a master that tells his servants, “I am returning in the night”. The servants do not know if the master is returning at 9 PM, or 12 AM, or 3 AM, yet if it is now 5 AM, now the servants know it is the final hour for the return of the master. So in likewise manner it is for us now approaching the year 6,000 from creation. We are in the final hour and it is quite obvious Yeshuah is about to appear, to begin the millennial shabbath of this earth, as was predestined from the very beginning of this earth. And that is why unlike believers almost 2,000 years ago, we who are in the final hour, and know the Torah and its appointed times, know the time of the return of Yeshuah, which will be 2026 AD, in the year 6,000 from creation. Understand.
     
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    Have you read Matthew 24 like I suggested?

    Jesus said, " As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

    Jesus was talking TO them....ABOUT us. You and me. He said WE won't know anything is coming. Ergo, how can we know a direct date?

    You have called me ignorant of the Bible, clueless, a ravenous dog, and a fool.

    I shall not return to this thread.
     
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    The world will be taken by surprise by the second coming just as in the days of Noah because the world is torahless, just like you. Those who are torahless are clueless and blind, for the appointed times of the Torah and its calendar reveal the timing of the events of the second coming of Yeshuah. Yet to those who know and understand and obey the Torah, the return of Yeshuah will not be a surprise, it will be expected. Just as even the wise men were already expecting the 1st coming of the Mashiach, for they knew the timeline of Daniel that revealed that he would appear within 490 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the Babylonian captivity. There is indeed a 7,000 year plan of God, and the last 1,000 years have been set apart as the millennial shabbath of this earth. So Yeshuah returns in the year 6,000, to begin the millennial shabbath. This has been known for thousands of years by the Jews and the wise, as seen in ancient texts. Yet most are clueless, precisely for the reasons I just gave you. So knowing the year of the return is simply a matter of math, counting the genealogies and timelines of the scriptures, to then know how many years are left until the year 6,000. I have done all the heavy work calculating these numbers, for you ingrates, and dogs who cannot perceive the value of pearls. Do not be dumb and ignorant, but inform yourself.

    Two excerpts from my Statement of Belief.
    This heaven and this earth is appointed to exist 7,000 years. And the last 1,000 years are the millennial shabbath of this earth. Which is the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshuah mentioned in the book of Revelation. And the 1,000 year rulership of Yeshuah will begin in the year 6,000 from creation. Therefore the second coming of Yeshuah will be in the year 6,000 from creation. This is why God created heaven and earth in 6 days, and set apart the 7th day by resting on it, to foreshadow the length of time he appointed this heaven and this earth to exist, 7,000 years total, with the last 1,000 years also set apart as a rest. The “millennial shabbath”. That is why a Psalm declares, “1,000 years in your sight are like 1 day”. And also why in the context of the return of Yeshuah the apostle Peter declared, “1 day is with the Master is as 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years is as 1 day”. This profound truth is also mentioned in ancient texts like the Epistle of Barnabas and the Midrash, which plainly reveal the 7,000 year plan of God. And that the last 1,000 years are a millennial shabbath. And that Yeshuah returns in the year 6,000 from creation. One text says, “of the shabbath he spoke in the beginning of the creation. And God made the works of his hands in 6 days, and he ended on the 7th day, and rested on it, and he set it apart. Give heed, children, what this means; He ended in 6 days. He means this, that in 6,000 years the Master shall bring all things to an end, for 1 day with him signifies a 1,000 years. And with this he himself bears me witness, saying, behold, the day of the Master shall be as a 1,000 years. Therefore, children, in 6 days, that is in 6,000 years, everything shall come to an end. And he rested on the 7th day. By this he means, when his son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the torahless one, and shall judge the impious, then shall he truly rest on the 7th day”. And the other text says, “the set-apart one, blessed be he, created seven aeons, and of them all he chose the seventh aeon only. The six aeons are for the going in and coming out, for war and peace. The seventh aeon is entirely shabbath and rest in the aeonial life. The set-apart one, blessed be he, created seven days, and of them all he chose the seventh day only, as it is said, and God blessed the seventh day, and set it apart”. The 7,000 year plan of God is quite obvious to those who know and understand the appointed times of God in the Torah. That is why many Jews already know this truth. Whereas many Gentile believers do not know nor understand, because they do not know the Torah nor its appointed times. Therefore knowing the year of the return of Yeshuah is simply a matter of math. Which is counting the genealogies and timelines of the scriptures to determine the year we are in since creation, to then determine how many years are left until the year 6,000 from creation. And although the length of the solar year did change, from 360 days to 365 and 1/4 years, the time to the return of Yeshuah will still be 6,000 years. For a “year” is still one complete orbit of the earth around the sun, regardless of how many days it took. So Yeshuah will return when the earth has done 6,000 full orbits around the sun.

    In 2020 AD in the Gregorian calendar we are in 5994 YB in Tishri 10. “YB” means “Year since the Beginning” in English. From 2020 AD there are 6 years left until 6000 YB in 2026 AD. Which will be the true timing of the second coming of Yeshuah and the beginning of the millennial shabbath of this earth. The current official year in the Jewish calendar is not the true year from the beginning of creation, which incorrectly says we are in 5781 AM in Tishri 1 in 2020 AD. “AM” means “Anno Mundi”, which means “year of the world” in Latin. The AM year is behind 213 years from the true year of creation. And Jewish scholars know that there are missing years in the AM year. From Adam until Abraham it was 2,010 years, which was 2010 YB. From Abraham to the anointing of Yeshuah was 1,990 years, which was precisely 4000 YB, in 26 AD. And from the anointing of Yeshuah to 2020 AD it was 1,994 years, which is 5994 YB. This is why according to the prophet Hosea, Yeshuah will return after 2 days, meaning 2,000 years. For Yeshuah returns exactly 2,000 years in 6000 YB in 2026 AD after his anointing in 4000 YB in 26 AD. The genealogical and timeline records found in the scriptures prove these calculations and the current year we are in since creation. This is contrary to the absurd lie that the earth brought itself into existence from nothing billions of years ago. Which is a lie that has deceived many. Even the methods used by scientists to try to measure the age of the earth, such as radio carbon dating, have proven themselves to give false results even in living organisms that recently died. And also in other samples whose year of death was known. Yet many still ignore these obvious fallacies and willfully continue choosing to believe the lie, because they want the lie to be true, and the truth to be the lie. They do not want to believe the truth that God created the heavens and the earth, and that the age of the earth can easily be determined by counting the genealogies and timelines of the scriptures. For the Bible is indeed also a true historical book, not a book of fantasies, as are the explanations of the scientists regarding the origins of the earth. And they think themselves intelligent for coming up with new fantasies and theories that are admired and accepted by many, yet all they have done is become more stupid, for rejecting the obvious truth that is written under their very noses in the scriptures. And this will be one of the many wisdoms of the “wise of this world” that God will ridicule at the return of Yeshuah. As such, many Gentile believers also erroneously think that because Yeshuah said “no one knows the day nor the hour” that it is impossible to know the time of the return of Yeshuah. The believers almost 2,000 years ago did not know if Yeshuah would return 100 years after his first coming, or 200 years, or 500 years, or 1,000 years. It is like a master that tells his servants, “I am returning in the night”. The servants do not know if the master is returning at 9 PM, or 12 AM, or 3 AM, yet if it is now 5 AM, now the servants know it is the final hour for the return of the master. So in likewise manner it is for us now approaching the year 6,000 from creation. We are in the final hour and it is quite obvious Yeshuah is about to appear, to begin the millennial shabbath of this earth, as was predestined from the very beginning of this earth. And that is why unlike believers almost 2,000 years ago, we who are in the final hour, and know the Torah and its appointed times, know the time of the return of Yeshuah, which will be 2026 AD, in the year 6,000 from creation.

    Timeline that I have built that proves the year we are in since creation.
    7,000 Year Timeline of the Earth - Wisdom of God
     
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    The date setting you have cited for what ever reasons is in all likelyhood wrong, Mark 13:32.
     
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    Out of the woodwork they come
     
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    They could just as easily appear this year.
     
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    The second coming will happen three and one half years from the day that the Antichrist desecrates the Jewish temple. Whereas the day of the rapture isn’t known, the day of the second coming will be known to those alive during the tribulation that have ears to hear.
     
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    The Letter Kills but the Spirit gives life.
     
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    Peers to me that somebody fits that old saying:
    He’s been educated beyond his intelligence.
     
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    The Second Coming is not the part that is not known. Some people call it a tribulation event separate from the Second Coming that is the unknown. That point has been lost to a lot of posters here. The Second Coming is the very well known and timed out event. The pre-trib rapture that starts the Lamb of God's final harvest is what is not known nor can be known. Once the harvest starts though, the timing is pretty well defined in Scripture.
     
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    How is that apparent?
     
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    Friend, the true believers have knowledge of the Word of God - the Word is God - and we have kept the preachings of our LORD Jesus and His Apostles concerning the second coming of the LORD. That said, we the true believers, have not followed cunningly devised fables invented by the spirit of demons, as we can see in your post above, full of lies and false prophecies. The true believers will not turn away their ears from the God's Truth, and they will not turn unto fables like yours, absolutely, after all what will be the reward believing in teachings of false preachers of the Word of God, as you have spread by / through your posts?

    Do not think that the true believers will believe every spirit, no, absolutely, they will try the spirits whether they are of God or not, because they know that many false prophets have manifested themeselves in the world, as the author, for example, of the cunningly devised fable you have posted above.

    If you to insist in this error, you are lost, lost for ever.
     
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    I agree, it is very close...
    Probably down to mere decades or less.

    However, you still do not know when that will be, given that anti-Christ has yet to be revealed;
    Plus the day and hour is known by no man, but only the Father.
     
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    Amen.:)
     
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    Matthew 24:v. 37 - JESUS said: But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Genesis 6:v.3 and 6-8&13&17-19&22 & 7:v.1-16
    6:v.3 - The Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:
    6 - The Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
    8 - But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
    13 - And God -as is Word - said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
    17 - Behold, I, even I, -the Word-God- do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
    18 - But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
    19 - And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
    22 - Thus did Noah; according to all that God -the Word is God -commanded him, so did he.
    7:v.1 - And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
    7:v. 4 For yet seven days (now, at the present time, it has already passed seven (7) days, which is the last day, the Day of the Lord, or the seventh and last millennium), and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; (now, in this new millennium, it is FIRE will fall upon the earth until the end of the world-1Cor.15:v.24-26) and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
    7:v.5 - And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.
    7:v.7 - And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

    7:v.10 - And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
    (now, in the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium will fall only FIRE upon the earth, and the world of Devil will be DISSOLVED by entire -2Peter 3:v.7-13-and the Word has already started)

    7:v.12 - And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
    Daniel 9:v.27- And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (Note:The Dragon-the powerful false messiah of the Jews-2Thes.2-gives to the FIRST Beast-the Beast of sea-his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority-Revelation 13:v.3-7, and there was given unto him-unto the Beast of sea-a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months-1260 days-, and he-the Beast of sea-opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven, and it was given unto him to make war with the saints,...), and in the midst of the week(when end 1260 days ruled by the Beast of sea) he -the false messiah- shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation-i.e.after passed the last 1290 days of the last week-, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    7:v.13 - In the selfsame DAY entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
    (The God's people MUST ENTER in the Kingdom of God now, even now, in the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium- in the end of this world that will be DISSOLVED).

    7:v.15 - And they went in unto Noah into the Ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

    16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in. --> The Lord closed the door of the ark from the outside, as the same He makes now in the end of this Dispensation, the Dispensation of the second Covenant, as revealed our Lord JESUS: Luke 13:v. 25 - 25 When once the Master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; .<--

    Matthew 24:v.27-29
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage,
    until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    When once the Master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; (The door is already closed for the Gentile peoples, the fullness of the Gentile has arrived)

    God bless
     
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    There is only one hitch. This is actually the end of the 7th day. The 8th day is about to start. No one Remembers the Sabbath day. If one Jew can remember, that would be great. Not even SDA, can Remember the Sabbath.
     
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