Featured Does God Choose Man or Does Man Choose God - Part 2

Are you saying that the reason all the non elect ( calvinist version of election that is ) cannot believe the Gospel because Satan has blinded them ?

 

Ahh the ' historical Church ' yes they are to be studied . Along side infant baptism , transubstantiation, and many other questionable ideas. So its better to rely on the scriptures alone.

 

I also have studied this , hence my opinions on Calvinism and Arminism . I believe if folks studied Augustine , Calvin Jabob Aminius ect they would see where its all coming from . Thats how I came away ( escaped ) from the deception of Calvinism .

 

The hive im referring to is the same one Jabob Arminius found himself trying to think his way out of under Beza. Calvs ironically argue with Armins not realising its essentially the same. The Argument is because its essentially the same , but with the idea that Armins have apostasised in a sense from the fold . in the same way Luther never fully leaves Catholicism ( not enough ) . Meanwhile Christianity is getting along just fine outside of Calminism .

 

They choose to give themselves over to Satan's devices which blinds them.

 

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

 

Concerning the verses you quoted, first, let's see what the words of God actually are:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

You are confounding, brother, the Spirit of adoption, which have already received (Rom.8:15), with the actual adoption, for which we wait yet (Rom.8:23-25). the Spirit of adoption is God's down-payment [earnest] of the yet-future adoption. Paul specifically lays that out in Ephesians:
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession [matching Romans 8:23], unto the praise of his glory.

Predestination, in literally every occurrence of the word, is that of a believer unto the adoption of his body at the resurrection.

 

The adoption IS the receiving of our new body.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, TO WIT, the redemption of our body.

 

No. I said what I am saying. Your belief that EVERYONE can choose is contradicted by “God breathed” Scripture. Why does that not concern you?

 

That is not what the verse that I quoted says.
Could you please point out where the Bible teaches this?

 

See what you did Barry? Smh.

 

A system by

12¶Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

 

Your still avoiding why is Satan blinding if they are already born blind ..isnt this like putting blindfolds on corpses ?

 

If we are born completely unable to see, hear, understand or respond willingly to the word of God, as the doctrine of Total Inability suggests, wouldn’t Satan’s work to blind people and snatch away the word be completely unnecessary and redundant?

Imagine visiting your local cemetery and discovering they hired a person to put blind folds and ear plugs on the corpses lest they respond willingly to the sights and sounds around the graveyard. Would this strike you as peculiar?

 

The several "whoevers" in NT Scripture proves total predestination for all wrong. My own experience also does, to me. There's not one "whoever if elect" in the whole Bible.

There are some Christians who can truthfully say, "God reached out & grabbed me", but most Christians will truthfully say they came to Him.