The Double Election of Scripture

I see the usual ploy of false assertions is all the Calvinists have posted. As far as post #22,
Not one of all those referenced scriptures supports:
1) Exhaustive determinism.
2) Total Spiritual Inability
3) Unconditional individual election
4) Christ dying as a ransom for NOT all.
5) Irresistible Grace, the imaginary tractor beam that compels belief in Christ

But this thread is not about Arminians or Calvinist doctrine, but about the Biblical Doctrine of Double Election.
Lets see if anyone is able to actually discuss that doctrine. Copy and pasters of off the shelf Calvinism need not reply.

 

Unbelievable absurdity, as being individually chosen based on faith is not Calvinism.

 

LOL, the OP presented the difference between the Arminian doctrine and the ELECT doctrine. Are you claiming you cannot discern the differences? Good Golly Miss Molly.

 

2 Thess. 2:13 is crystal clear, we are chosen individually through or on the basis of "faith in the truth."

 

We were chosen before creation corporately and chosen during our lifetime based on our faith in the truth individually.
Therefore the following presents the actual biblical doctrine of election for salvation, the ELECT doctrine.

1. Elections - God chose His Redeemer individually (Christ) and all those Christ would redeem corporately before the foundation of the world, the elections before time; and then subsequently chooses believers individually during their lifetime based on crediting their wholehearted faith in Christ, the second election.

2. Love overcomes depravity - Mankind is depraved from conception, separated from God by being in a state of sin with a corrupt flesh and a corrupt human spirit. But God, who understands the heart, accepts the faith, as depraved as it may be, of those who love and trust in His Son.

3. Effective reconciliation - Christ’s propitiation is sufficient to save all men, but the available reconciliation is only received, when God credits our faith as righteousness and spiritually baptizes us into Christ, making us spiritually alive together with Christ.

4. Cultivated call - Turning to God and trusting in Christ occur when receptive people hear the gospel and believe. Thus faith in Christ is spread by an external call to those who receive the gospel wholeheartedly. Acts 13:48 indicates those who accepted the gospel's requirements believed.

5. Trust in Faith - Only by persevering in faith can a believer be sure of salvation, because God protects the faith of His chosen ones.

 

1) First the usual ad hominem, implying I am not honest. Par for the course of posters with no ability to address doctrine.
2) The doctrine presented is from scripture, I did not need to rewrite, ignore, or otherwise misrepresent God's word.
3) Orthodox Christianity was not defined, thus just disparagement without merit. ELECT doctrine is consistent with orthodox Christianity, such as Sola Scripture versus quoting creeds.
4) Each position presented is widely held, such as conditional election, Christ dying for all mankind, God credits the faith of believers as righteousness, the Holy Spirit baptizes us individually into the body of Christ, people are able to understand and respond to the gospel, and so forth. To claim the false doctrines of Calvinism are orthodox is simply another absurdity.

Would you care now to actually discuss any of the ELECT points using scripture for support? I am!!!

 

Why the election of Ephesians 1:4 must be corporate:

If we had been chosen individually before creation, they we would always have been a people chosen by God. We would never have existed as "not a people." However 1 Peter 2:10 says we were once "not a people." Therefore the election of Ephesians 1:4 was corporate, not individual. It is a lock.

 

LOL, the two posts (#33 &34) offer generalized "taint so" comments without a shed of biblical support. And then the claim that in the unreferenced past, one or more points of the ELECT doctrine has been "refuted."

1) They deny the concept of corporate election. However Dr. Dan Wallace agrees with many others, corporate election is a biblical concept. Their opposing argument: Taint so.

2) They dismiss the biblical support saying the verses do not say what they say because of "Poor Hermeneutics."

3) Did either address post #32? Nope, except to imply "taint so." No scriptural support in opposition to any of the ELECT points was presented.

Returning to the Biblical ELECT doctrine:

God chooses for salvation individuals that love and trust in Him. James 2:5


2. Love overcomes depravity - Mankind is depraved from conception, separated from God by being in a state of sin with a corrupt flesh and a corrupt human spirit. But God, who understands the heart, accepts the faith, as depraved as it may be, of those who love and trust in His Son.

 

Sir, you falsely claimed the ELECT doctrine was Calvinism. You did not post a "oops" retraction.
There is no need to go into another topic such as the corporate election of the Old Covenant of Abraham and his believing descendants which did not include Gentiles as a group. Of course several OT saints were Gentiles, such as Ruth.

Try to study the ELECT doctrine and see if it conflicts with your understanding of scripture. But please do not claim it is Calvinism, as that is an absurdity.

 

Point 3 of the ELECT doctrine:
3. Effective reconciliation - Christ’s propitiation is sufficient to save all men, but the available reconciliation is only received, when God credits our faith as righteousness and spiritually baptizes us into Christ, making us spiritually alive together with Christ.

1) What is the basis for the claim Christ's propitiation is sufficient to save all men? Christ laid down His life as a "ransom" for all. Not all kinds of people, or all the elect, but all people. Why claim "all people" is the meaning? Because 2 Peter 2:1 teaches Christ "bought" people heading for swift destruction. Thus non-elect.

2) How is "reconciliation" (salvation) received? 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 indicates we receive the reconciliation when we are "in Him." But what is the basis for God putting us "in Him." 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says we were chosen for salvation through "sanctification by the Spirit" ( the Spirit setting us apart in Christ) on the basis of "faith in the truth." Thus when God credits our faith as righteousness, (Romans 4:4-5; 4:23-24) He transfers us into the kingdom of His Beloved Son. (Colossians 1:13).

3) What scripture indicates we were "baptized into Christ?" 1 Corinthians 12:13 This is the sanctifying work of the Spirit, and the means by which we were baptized into Christ. Romans 6:3

4) Being transferred into Christ puts us "together with Christ" and thus results in life (Ephesians 2:5).