The Double Election of Scripture

[Van]

True, but I was responding to your post addressing a poster that HAD addressed the topic ... he said he disagreed with you.
I said nothing
I said nothing
I said nothing

... And yet, Ephesians 1:4 is not corporate and we were once "not a people".

Here we get the usual "taint so" post claiming that even if we were chosen individually before creation, we were once not a people chosen for God. Cognitive dissonance anyone?

 

[atpollard]

Yet another copy and paste bit of twaddle.

What sort of response is that to posting the full verse of scripture and exegesis in response to a general reference and opinion on what it means?

Since when is quoting scripture a "copy and paste bit of twaddle"?
If you are accusing me of plagiarizing my words from some source, I call you a liar and challenge you to identify the source!

 

[Van]

What sort of response is that to posting the full verse of scripture and exegesis in response to a general reference and opinion on what it means?

Since when is quoting scripture a "copy and paste bit of twaddle"?
If you are accusing me of plagiarizing my words from some source, I call you a liar and challenge you to identify the source!

On and on folks, ad hominem after ad hominem.
Note the flagrant posting rule violation.
Did you see any discussion of the topic? Neither did I, thus another attempt to change the subject.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 says
God has chosen you...for salvation through...faith in the truth.

Thus we were chosen individually on the basis of God crediting our faith in the truth as righteousness. Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24.

 

[atpollard]

Here we get the usual "taint so" post .

Stop crediting me with things I did not say, and I will not need to respond with "Taint so."

 

[agedman]

Yet another utterly false claim humans "conjure up" saving faith. Our faith is like a filthy rag to God. Of course if God does choose to credit filthy rag faith as righteousness, it is God's sovereign choice.

Based on previous discussions concerning “faith,” it remains that you do not seem to distinguish between the unregenerate human “hope so” faith and that faith that “comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.”

The principle is that the unclean never have capacity of itself to become clean, but need outward sources. If one use filthiness in attempt to attain un-filthiness, one remains smudged and smeared.

 

[Van]

Stop crediting me with things I did not say, and I will not need to respond with "Taint so."

On and on folks, one false charge after another.
Here is a Google link:
The Double Election of Scripture

 

[atpollard]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 says
God has chosen you...for salvation through...faith in the truth.

No it does not, as I already told you.

What bible are you reading?

[2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 NASB]
13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word [of mouth] or by letter from us.

• Who did the choosing? God.
• When as the choosing made? In the beginning, which was before we were born.
• What were we chosen for? salvation.
• How was this "salvation" going to be accomplished? through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
• I forget, who was it again that was the "subject" in this sentence that was performing the action described by the "verb"? Oh yeah, GOD!

So 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says that God uses the Spirit and faith in the truth as the means of our sanctification to achieve God's "from the beginning" chosen goal of the salvation of we who are "brethren beloved by the Lord".

Jesus said the exact same thing in John 10:

• My Father has given them to Me
• My sheep hear My voice
• I know them
• they follow Me
• I give eternal life to them
• they will never perish
• no one will snatch them out of My hand.

It all starts with the Father and ends with the Son loving those the Father has given Him.

[2 Thessalonians 2:13 NASB] says "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth."

 

[Van]

Based on previous discussions concerning “faith,” it remains that you do not seem to distinguish between the unregenerate human “hope so” faith and that

Off topic rewrite of the posted position.
Note Calvinists seem unable to even address faith credited as righteousness by God. Or "filthy rag" faith. On and on folks, on and on

 

[Van]

[2 Thessalonians 2:13 NASB] says "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth."

Mr Atpollard says 2 Thessalonians does not say "God has chosen you...for salvation through...faith in the truth. Nuff said.

 

[Calminian]

On and on folks, one false charge after another.
Here is a Google link:
The Double Election of Scripture

God help me if I ever get this defensive.

Theology, among many other things, is humbling, or at least is should be.

 

[agedman]

Off topic rewrite of the posted position.
Note Calvinists seem unable to even address faith credited as righteousness by God. Or "filthy rag" faith. On and on folks, on and on

Burger King believers are typical of your responses.

“Have it your way,” Van, no sense in further attempts to show you reside in error.

 

[Van]

James 2:5 (WEB)
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Verse after verse must be misinterpreted and rewritten to avoid condition election based on God crediting our faith as rigorousness.

 

[Van]

God help me if I ever get this defensive.

Theology, among many other things, is humbling, or at least is should be.

Yet another off topic disparagement because Calvinism is bogus and cannot be defended biblically.

 

[atpollard]

On and on folks, ad hominem after ad hominem.
Note the flagrant posting rule violation.

Yes, do take note folks ...

I expected "taint so" posts, and I did not expect anyone to actually consider Biblical Election as found in scripture.

The claim there is "no such thing" as corporate election is twaddle.

How can we discuss Biblical Doctrine if you do not actually address the view presented?

LOL, my view is not "tedious" or complicated, but your response is non-germane.

Does the fact of our corporate election "exclude" individuals from individual election? Nope - so a strawman diversion.
Did I change any "term?" Nope - so a strawman diversion.
I say we were elected corporately and individually and you understand that as two opposing views. LOL
Did I say election is always corporate? Nope - so a strawman diversion.

New to you perhaps, but the scriptural basis is more than 2000 years old.

LOL, my view is not "tedious" or complicated, but your response is non-germane.

Does the fact of our corporate election "exclude" individuals from individual election? Nope - so a strawman diversion.
Did I change any "term?" Nope - so a strawman diversion.
I say we were elected corporately and individually and you understand that as two opposing views. LOL
Did I say election is always corporate? Nope - so a strawman diversion.

How can biblical election be discussed when non-germane assertions are posted one after another?

calling it names, and changing the subject are once again on display.

You have no clue as to an understanding of Acts 13:48.

I see the usual ploy of false assertions is all the Calvinists have posted.

Lets see if anyone is able to actually discuss that doctrine.

Unbelievable absurdity

Are you claiming you cannot discern the differences? Good Golly Miss Molly.

Par for the course of posters with no ability to address doctrine.

To claim the false doctrines of Calvinism are orthodox is simply another absurdity.

LOL, the two posts (#33 &34) offer generalized "taint so" comments without a shed of biblical support.

Sir, you falsely claimed the ELECT doctrine was Calvinism. You did not post a "oops" retraction

Mindless twaddle.

Can you not even write a sentence, Sir?

Non-germane

Yet another post addressing the poster and not the topic. On and on folks, on and on.

Yet another copy and paste bit of twaddle.

simply a strawman deflection.

Yet another utterly false claim

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

 

[Van]

Burger King believers are typical of your responses.
“Have it your way,” Van, no sense in further attempts to show you reside in error.

Did this post disparage me or address the positions I posted? Here are the biblical positions:
Note Calvinists seem unable to even address (1) faith credited as righteousness by God. Or (2) "filthy rag" faith. On and on folks, on and on

 

[Van]

Yes, do take note folks ...

Yes another post that references the endless off topic, non-germane nonsensical posts of Calvinism proponents.
This is all they have.
Note Calvinists seem unable to even address (1) faith credited as righteousness by God. Or (2) "filthy rag" faith. On and on folks, on and on

 

[agedman]

Did this post disparage me or address the positions I posted? Here are the biblical positions:
Note Calvinists seem unable to even address (1) faith credited as righteousness by God. Or (2) "filthy rag" faith. On and on folks, on and on

Your rejection of the truth does not oblige me to conform to your positions as holding Scripture veracity.

Neither does the repetition of your dismissive statements concerning other’s views compel the slightest turning of influence in your favor.

 

[Van]

Just in case this post was obliterated by copy and pasted smokescreed

James 2:5 (WEB)
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Verse after verse must be misinterpreted and rewritten to avoid condition election based on God crediting our faith as rigorousness.

 

[Van]

Your rejection of the truth does not oblige me to conform to your positions as holding Scripture veracity.

Neither does the repetition of your dismissive statements concerning other’s views compel the slightest turning of influence in your favor.

On and on folks, Calvinism disparage opponents addressing the poster and not the position.. Calvinism cannot be defended from scripture, but they can copy and paste a mountain load of non-germane or misinterpreted references to derail discussion of pertinent passages.

 

[MB]

Only elected sinners are the saved out ones by God!

Nonsense and the fact you have no scripture that proves your point shows you can only wish it were true.
MB