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Firstly, I would like to say that the ESV and almost every modren version of the Bible, has 1 Timothy 3:16, wrong. As shown by the great textual scholar, John Burgon, and others, and from my own personal textual studies, the Apostle Paul wrote, "θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι", that is "GOD was manifested in the flesh". This was corrupted by deniers of the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Secondly, it is evident that the "essential body" of the Lord Jesus was "transformed" after His Resurrection. The Apostle Mark says this in his Gospel, "After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country" (16:12). The English word "form" here, like that in Philippians 2:6-7, does not refer to the "outward appearance", but, to the "essential being". The Greek word "μορφη" is so used by ancient Greek writers. Also, it sould be noted from the passage in Luke's Gospel, which is also about the two who walked with Jesus, that, "But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him" (Luke 24:16). If "μορφη" here referred to the "outward appearance", then there would have been no need for God to "restrain" the eyes of these two, so that they would not "recognize" Jesus. In verse 31 we read, "Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight". Post Resurrection Jesus could walk through closed doors, appear and then disappear. Which His body could not do before. Also, in Luke we read, "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (24:39). Note Jesus says "flesh and bones" and not "flesh and blood". His body had "essentially changed".

 

Greetings, I was making the point that most of the modren versions have removed "God" and replaced it with "Who", or "He Who", etc. Not what you believe, which I don't know. You quoted from the ESV, so I made this important point. I was also referring to Jesus' post-Resurrection "body", which is the same as His post-Ascension, which is not the same as His Incarnate body till His death.

 

So how to you answer Luke?

"Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (24:39)"

This is after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and it is very clear that Jesus Christ did have a body of flesh. To deny this is to question the Authority of Scripture

 

Jesus took on humanity forever.

Denying that fact is a very old heresy.

peace to you

 

I didn’t say anything about “flesh and blood” I said Jesus took on humanity forever. If you are denying that, you are repeating a very old heresy.

The mystery of the nature of the resurrected body of Christ (and of His saints) has long been debated. Even Paul spoke of the controversy.

If any argument denies Jesus took on humanity forever, then you have crossed the boundary into heresy.

peace to you

 

This is exactly what you wrote

"I assume you believe that the resurrected Christ has flesh, which I do not believe"

It states that you do not believe that the body of the Ressurected Jesus Christ has "flesh". I have shown from Luke 24:39, that Jesus Himself says that He DID have FLESH after His Resurrection, before His Ascension. So, either the Bible is wrong, or you are? There are no other ways to read what you replied to me.

 

Modern translations such as the nas and esv do NOT deny the Deity of Jesus!
Would also state here that the glorified body of Jesus was the very same on that he died in, as God raised Him up as the very pattern of what we will all have in the Second Coming.
Our friend here posting is a full blown preterist, so he would need to see the physical resurrection as now merely a spiritual resurrection for the rest of us!
We will have a spiritual body, not a physically resurrected one!

 

I am not saying that modern versions deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, but that there are verses, like 1 Timothy 3:16; John 3:13; Acts 20:28, where the Deity of Jesus has been removed in some of these versions. As has the very clear teaching on the Holy Trinity, in 1 John 5:7, also been removed.

 

May I take this to mean that you are a KJVO person then?

 

Acknowledged.
With that, I would counter with "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

The Scripture you have provided are as follows:

Setting aside any LOGIC contained in your commentary, nothing in any of these verses and partial verses even comes close to suggesting that the body Jesus had when He challenged Thomas to touch His side and His hands was transformed at His ascension. Therefore you have presented nothing more than unsupported conjecture.

 

He is presenting to us what preterism demands, no physical resurrection of the body, but a spiritual one!

 

I don't even have a copy of the KJV any more. I use the NKJV, HCSB, ESV, NIV (1984) and NLT. The textual evidence for the passages I have given, are in no doubt that the KJV and others are 100% right. This I have done as my own research and not simply following others.

 

Thanks, so you would be in agreement with using the TR text then, and not the Critical text?