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I never said Christ did not rise physically from the dead. That is not the issue.

 

The last two verses have nothing to do with me or the OP. I affirm that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. I am sure I mentioned this to you before, Agedman, and you probably will repeat the same accusation again later.

The second verse says that we will be like Him. That begs the question what He is like. Begging the question is not the same as answering the question.

The verse from Acts is not to the point either. It says He will come "in like manner". This is adverbial, not adjectival. It describes how He was to return, not what He will be. "Manner" says nothing about form. I can say "A man came up to me angrily" or "A dog came up to me angrily". Manner = "came up angrily". It tells me nothing about the form.

They saw Jesus depart in a cloud, out of their sight.
He will return the same way - "with the clouds".

Anything more is eisegesis.

 

Really? The fact that you even quoted them as a response to this thread constituted your comment.

 

The only verse that was somewhat appropriate to the topic was the Acts passage, which is why I spent more time on that.

 

That is not my point. Do you even read my posts for understanding, or just ammunition?

 

Thank you. That is basically what I believe, although I am not sure I would phrase the second phase the same way. Flesh, I think, presupposes blood also. His eating food is a demonstration of His full representation of our humanity.

 

That sounds reasonable.

 

On the basis of 1 Cor. 15 I just cannot come to your conclusion. Whether "flesh and bones" or "flesh and blood" they are both part of what we are to be changed from. I do not want to write it all again but somewhere in this thread I try to show from 1 Cor 15 how that essence comes out of origin. Your verse that you quoted above is part of the proof. We first had the essence of Adam. We will have the essence of Christ - the pre-incarnate Christ. That is, we will have spiritual bodies.

 

No, the announcement of Gabriel proves no such connection. You have four "shalls" here, but that does not mean that they all happen at the same time are connected by causation. You have other verses about the Christ the Son in both the Old and New Testament indicating other interpretations.

"Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:" - Romans 1:3-4

When is He the Son here. Not at birth.

But this is just one example. You can also look at Psalm 1 and 2, Proverbs 30:4, and other passages.

But all of this is getting far afield from the main point I am trying to make. One of the best proofs of my point is in 1 Cor. 15, as I wrote in the other post.