The Great Flood (of Noah)

[Yeshua1]

why can't we simply accept what the Bible says, without trying to second-gess the Lord? There is ZERO evidence in the Bible that even hints at a "local" flood. The Author as you put it, is Moses, and he wrote what God the Holy Spirit told him to, so we can fully Trust it

God was there, so trust the the Holy Spirt knows what He was telling moses!

 

[Reynolds]

I presume most or all of us who read this forum do believe there was a great flood. But do we believe everything about it as it is recorded in Genesis? are some of the common ideas assumptions? does believing it simply require blind faith? I will refrain for now from divulging why I am posting this poll at this time and on this forum.

If you don't believe Genesis, you can't believe the rest of The Bible.

 

[Yeshua1]

If you don't believe Genesis, you can't believe the rest of The Bible.

many will say they believe in genesis, but its not the literal view, but the Thestic evolutionary/quasi myth form!

 

[Reynolds]

many will say they believe in genesis, but its not the literal view, but the Thestic evolutionary/quasi myth form!

Theistic evolution is pure heresy.

 

[Alcott]

Were there at least 700,000 beetles on the ark, as the minimum number of species is 350,000? And speciation from a far fewer number would be evolution.

 

[Alcott]

2 Pet. 2:5--"And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly."

Are you claiming this says Noah warned people of the coming flood? It does not.

 

[church mouse guy]

Were there at least 700,000 beetles on the ark, as the minimum number of species is 350,000? And speciation from a far fewer number would be evolution.

Check Scripture--it says kind, not species. It is genetic principles. Genetics explains all the different levels of melaextonin from only 8 people, for example. So Noah would only need representation from kinds of beetles--I'm thinking there were 4 of them.

 

[atpollard]

Were there at least 700,000 beetles on the ark, as the minimum number of species is 350,000? And speciation from a far fewer number would be evolution.

The old definition of ‘species’ or the new?
When I was growing up a species was an animal group that could breed and reproduce fertile offspring. Now two finches with local adaptations interbreed and their offspring are heralded as a brand new species and proof of “evolution” in only a single generation. By the old definition, all “domestic dogs” are one species and by the new definition, every “breed” is a unique species. So did Noah have to carry two of every breed of Dog and cat and cow and sheep ...?

Do beetles breathe?

 

[church mouse guy]

Separation of the post flood Continents. Southern continents dated some 300 million years ago. The northern continents some later 20 million years ago. They are global flood evidence before the dated 300 million years. From the bottom of the Atlantic oceanic trench to coasts of Africa and South America.

How do you prove your timeline?

 

[church mouse guy]

The author is God or Moses depending on how one views the writing of Genesis. One cannot have any knowledge of the events and the other is omniscient. Either way, to assume that "all the mountains under heaven (the sky)" really means "I think this valley and the next probably flooded, but not the other side of the world" is what is really weak.

Adam wrote a book and it was passed down to Noah and then to Moses.

 

[atpollard]

Adam wrote a book and it was passed down to Noah and then to Moses.

Where does it say this?

 

[SavedByGrace]

God was there, so trust the the Holy Spirt knows what He was telling moses!

Is you reply to me?

 

[Aaron]

We're told the Flood covered the tops of the highest mountains. The presumption is thinking that Mt. Everest was there in Noah's day.

 

[Aaron]

So far, the only choice that has 100% of votes is "Noah warned people that the great flood was coming." Scripture does not say that. It is only an assumption or conclusion.

We're told of the preaching of Noah. That is as much about a warning to flee the judgment to come as Exodus 3:6 is about the Resurrection.

 

[John of Japan]

Are you claiming this says Noah warned people of the coming flood? It does not.

I didn't claim a thing. I simply quoted Scripture. But apparently you think you can read my mind.

Noah preached righteousness. He told people to get right with God. I fully believe that many were saved through his preaching contrary to those who put Noah up as an example of fruitless evangelism. However, by the time Noah and his family climbed into that ark, no one was left who truly believed in God except he and his family.

 

[Van]

SNIP

...claiming "the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of" is not what I said. This Calvinist edits posts to corrupt the intended message, much like Calvinism corrupts scripture.

 

[Van]

why can't we simply accept what the Bible says, without trying to second-gess the Lord? There is ZERO evidence in the Bible that even hints at a "local" flood. The Author as you put it, is Moses, and he wrote what God the Holy Spirit told him to, so we can fully Trust it

I accept what the Bible says, but I try not to add to it by speculating. I did not say the flood was local, but that it covered the known world, however big that might be.

Now lets turn to the argument "all" means everything imaginable because God inspired the text, and God knows everything imaginable. When the text says the whole world is going after Christ, did that include those who had never heard of Him. Of course not. So your argument is as weak as the assertion.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I accept what the Bible says, but I try not to add to it by speculating. I did not say the flood was local, but that it covered the known world, however big that might be.

Now lets turn to the argument "all" means everything imaginable because God inspired the text, and God knows everything imaginable. When the text says the whole world is going after Christ, did that include those who had never heard of Him. Of course not. So your argument is as weak as the assertion.

Genesis 7:19-20 best explains the extent of The Flood

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits above did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

Note, "the high mountains, that were under the WHOLE heaven, were covered", and "15 cubits" (23 FEET) from the top of the HIGHEST peak! If the heavens can be seen from ANYWHERE in the world, then this means WORLD-WIDE!

 

[atpollard]

...claiming "the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of" is not what I said. This Calvinist edits posts to corrupt the intended message, much like Calvinism corrupts scripture.

[YYYYAAAAWWWNNN.] You see 'Calvinism boogeymen' everywhere, don't you?
Paranoid, much?

... Go back and read your own post. You suggested that omniscient God didn't really mean all the mountains in the world when He inspired "under heaven" because the "author" was only speaking about those mountains that he knew about. Then you refused to answer the question "Who is the author of Genesis? God or Moses?" So any confusion stems from your "anti-Calvinist" refusal to answer simple questions when pontificating false statements.

 

[Van]

Genesis 7:19-20 best explains the extent of The Flood

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits above did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

Note, "the high mountains, that were under the WHOLE heaven, were covered", and "15 cubits" (23 FEET) from the top of the HIGHEST peak! If the heavens can be seen from ANYWHERE in the world, then this means WORLD-WIDE!

Yes, the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the known earth and all the known high mountains, that were under the whole heaven were covered.