The Great Flood (of Noah)

[SavedByGrace]

We are talking about mountains, not the moles in our back yard. Compared to your speculation posts, mine seem rather insignificant.

here is what the Word of God has to say:

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and ALL THE HIGN MOUNTAINS that are under THE WHOLE HEAVENS were covered. Fifteen cubits above them (23 FEET) did the waters prevail; and the mountains were thus covered" (Genesis 7:19-20)

any other "opinion" is rubbish!

 

[Van]

Does "all" in Genesis 7:19-20 refer to the whole planet, or just "all" the earth known to the author and his audience? I do not know.

 

[church mouse guy]

Q

In Genesis 6:18, God told Noah, "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you." While God told him himself and wife, and 3 sons and their wives will enter the ark and be part of the covenant, he mentions no one else. The world "only," however, is not there (in English translations, at least). I don't see, then, why he would waste his time urging others to come.w

Glad to see you back unless you have been posting and I missed it. Oh, I think that it took some time to build the Ark because it is so huge. It took a long time to build the replica in Williamstown, Kentucky, and they had modern machinery and huge crews and spent $100,000,000 but that may include the land. As a museum, it will legally hold 10,000 people.

My point is that Noah and his sons might have hired other men to help and everyone would want to know why Noah was squandering time and money building this ocean-going ship, perhaps on top of a hill.

Noah is a prophet and a Christlike figure: Genesis 5:29 (KJV) And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

 

[37818]

what complete and utter RUBBISH!!!. Numbers that are plucked out of the air, based on FAULTY "science" written by people (I don't refer to you) who are UTTER FOOLS, and then believed on by the same!!!

What is the good science for the dating for the separation of the post flood continents?

 

[John of Japan]

So far, the only choice that has 100% of votes is "Noah warned people that the great flood was coming." Scripture does not say that. It is only an assumption or conclusion.

2 Pet. 2:5--"And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly."

 

[OnlyaSinner]

My speculation is that the weight of all the water caused massive geological action which turned mountains that we might call hills into today's topography. Several decades ago a relatively tiny amount of water in an intended hydropower reservoir in the Italian Alps caused earthquakes that wrecked the new dam, resulting in tragedies in the valley below. And beyond the weight of rainwater, the waters coming from "the great fountains of the deep" would weaken the soil/rock from which they came, augmenting the change in topography. Psalm 104:5-9 might be relevant to the above. (How did that water move uphill from the deep? I can offer no naturalistic explanation, but is anything too hard for God?)

There is also evidence of massive glaciation, mostly in the Northern Hemisphere, which aided in reshaping the Earth's surface. This included the scraping out of many large lakes, Great Lakes along with many others, that were filled with fresh water as the glaciers melting back. Can I prove any of this? Nope, but it seems to fit with the brief "unscientific" (by the world's viewpoint) accounts in scripture. ("Brief" in length but all we needed to know, as I believe that God's word always holds all we need to know about Him and about serving Him.)

 

[church mouse guy]

Where in scripture, does it pinpoint the elevation of "the highest" mountain???
To say that Everest WAS then the "highest" mountain, is itself nothing more than pure conjecture!!
For all we know from scripture is that the water covered the highest mountain - which may have been 1,000 or less.
Truth is, we just don't know!

We sure don't know what Noah's world was like because it was totally destroyed. But we know from science that the continents broke up and ran into each other at maybe very high speeds and forced up high mountain ranges such as the Rockies and the Andes. The leading American scientist on this is Dr. John Baumgardner, a devout Christian and Biblical Creationist. He worked at Los Alamos so he is as intelligent as they come.

 

[church mouse guy]

2 Pet. 2:5--"And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly."

Thank you!

I never realized what a great prophet Noah was until I walked into the Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky, three years ago and read:

Genesis 5:29 (KJV) And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

I think that your citation of Peter could have been added by Answers in Genesis. (2 Peter 2:5 (KJV) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly

 

[church mouse guy]

What is the good science for the dating for the separation of the post flood continents?

 

[church mouse guy]

Does "all" in Genesis 7:19-20 refer to the whole planet, or just "all" the earth known to the author and his audience? I do not know.

Dr. Henry Morris says that by saying all the high hills, it is emphasizing all the high hills and mountains in the world. He says that Mount Ararat is 17,000 feet tall so it would have been covered. However, I do not know it that is the same mountain range so named by Noah. Genesis 8:4 (KJV) And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. Also, I thought that Mt. Ararat is a volcano, but I don't know and it is time for my nap so I must close for now.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Does "all" in Genesis 7:19-20 refer to the whole planet, or just "all" the earth known to the author and his audience? I do not know.

it does say, "that were under the whole heaven", which means that the entire world, which is ALL under heaven, not limited to local

 

[John of Japan]

Thank you!

I never realized what a great prophet Noah was until I walked into the Ark Encounter in Williamstown, Kentucky, three years ago and read:

Genesis 5:29 (KJV) And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

I think that your citation of Peter could have been added by Answers in Genesis. (2 Peter 2:5 (KJV) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly

I've been to the Ark Encounter too. Truly awesome! Makes you realize how great God is and the incredible shipbuilding job Noah did.

 

[Yeshua1]

what complete and utter RUBBISH!!!. Numbers that are plucked out of the air, based on FAULTY "science" written by people (I don't refer to you) who are UTTER FOOLS, and then believed on by the same!!!

Would say the Flood happened while people were here!

 

[Van]

it does say, "that were under the whole heaven", which means that the entire world, which is ALL under heaven, not limited to local

To say all the known mountains under heaven is not to say all the known and unknown mountains under heaven. To insist the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of is weak.

 

[atpollard]

So far, the only choice that has 100% of votes is "Noah warned people that the great flood was coming." Scripture does not say that. It is only an assumption or conclusion.

Yeah, I run into problems separating what I read in Genesis from what I saw Charleton Heston do in a movie ... so I went back and reread the story before answering.

Everest is a tricky question because it SAYS that the water covered the earth (so it was higher than Everest), but scripture is silent on whether Everest was its current height. prior to the flood. So I went with Yes, the flood covered Everest, but No, it may not have risen 725 feet per day. Scripture says one, but does not say the other.

 

[atpollard]

Q

In Genesis 6:18, God told Noah, "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you." While God told him himself and wife, and 3 sons and their wives will enter the ark and be part of the covenant, he mentions no one else. The world "only," however, is not there (in English translations, at least). I don't see, then, why he would waste his time urging others to come.

w

What is the significance of the "Q" at the top and the "w" at the bottom?

Anyway, I would just like to comment that inviting others to come would have been a very bad thing. It would not have been like calling sinners to repentance, but rather, it would be like throwing down a rope so the damned could escape Hell and run rampant in Heaven. God had already seen into the heart of men and passed His judgement ...

"And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch." - [Genesis 6:13-14 NKJV]

... and God was not unclear in His intent and His instructions.

 

[atpollard]

To insist the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of is weak.

The author is God or Moses depending on how one views the writing of Genesis. One cannot have any knowledge of the events and the other is omniscient. Either way, to assume that "all the mountains under heaven (the sky)" really means "I think this valley and the next probably flooded, but not the other side of the world" is what is really weak.

 

[Van]

The author is God or Moses depending on how one views the writing of Genesis. One cannot have any knowledge of the events and the other is omniscient. Either way, to assume that "all the mountains under heaven (the sky)" really means "I think this valley and the next probably flooded, but not the other side of the world" is what is really weak.

Folks, is the above what I said? Nope. This Calvinist wastes thread after thread posting falsehood for the purpose of derailment.

"All" refers to whatever the author had in mind, and does not include what others several thousand years later imagine.

I am an originalist, not an expansionist.

 

[atpollard]

Folks, is the above what I said? Nope. This Calvinist wastes thread after thread posting falsehood for the purpose of derailment.

"All" refers to whatever the author had in mind, and does not include what others several thousand years later imagine.

I am an originalist, not an expansionist.

Here is what you said:

To say all the known mountains under heaven is not to say all the known and unknown mountains under heaven. To insist the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of is weak.

Who is the AUTHOR of Genesis, Moses or God?

• If Moses, then MOSES had no knowledge of any of it ... Moses was not with Noah!
• If God, then GOD has all knowledge, because God was there!

Either way, the story of Noah must be 100% true and complete or 100% fiction because there is no room for "partial memories" of the ante-Deluvian history. Everything under heaven means everything under heaven. Destroy everything that breathes means destroy everything that breathes. Your comment dismissing the words of scripture claiming "the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of" is the "waste of a thread" and the "weak" and the "expansionist" tripe.

Spare me your 'Calvinist' paranoia. This has nothing to do with sotieriology. This is as simple as believing that scripture means what it says.

 

[SavedByGrace]

To say all the known mountains under heaven is not to say all the known and unknown mountains under heaven. To insist the author was speaking about stuff he had no knowledge of is weak.

why can't we simply accept what the Bible says, without trying to second-gess the Lord? There is ZERO evidence in the Bible that even hints at a "local" flood. The Author as you put it, is Moses, and he wrote what God the Holy Spirit told him to, so we can fully Trust it