The Great Flood (of Noah)

[atpollard]

Then somewhere there exists a high mountain from which all the kingdoms of the world can be seen-- Matthew 4:8. What mountain would that be?

Zion. [Hebrews 12:22-24]

If that is a physical impossibility-- as we know it is-- then why any mountain?

Objection. Stating facts not in evidence. You are the one making the challenge and stating the facts, so you must first disprove the Flat Earther's before you can make demands of me that presuppose that it is "impossible" to see all of the kingdoms of the Earth.

Is the Bible always literal when it talks about mountains?

No. So what? The Bible is not always literal when it talks about sheep, but I believe that the lambs slain whose blood decorated doorposts in Egypt were literal. Does the fact that not all sheep in the NT are literal mean that no sheep in the OT were literal?

If so, then move one ... unless you don't have faith the size of a mustard seed.

“You shall not tempt the LORD your God" - [Deu 6:16] [Mat 4:7] [Luk 4:12]
“Get behind Me, Satan!" - [Mat 16:23] [Mar 8:33] [Luk 4:8]

 

[John of Japan]

No, and that's why it was phrased in interrogative form.

I don't have time now to look over the whole story again, but I don't recall any scripture stating that any of Noah's family "truly believed in God." It only says that about Noah himself.

ed. And I don't think those are the words applied even to Noah. Rather he "walked with God" and was a "preacher of righteousness." It is often easy to forget the exact words, ain't it?

None of this is a hill I'm going to die on.

 

[Van]

Was that very tall Volcano on the planet Mars covered. Is it a high hill under the whole heaven? Of course not!! So the whole heaven only refers to that part of heaven that earth is under. Now since whole only refers to known whole...

 

[Alcott]

Zion. [Hebrews 12:22-24]

If you get that there is a mountain somewhere on earth in which one can see all the world's kingdoms, you're reading something with that citation different from what I get.

Objection. Stating facts not in evidence. You are the one making the challenge and stating the facts, so you must first disprove the Flat Earther's before you can make demands of me that presuppose that it is "impossible" to see all of the kingdoms of the Earth.

Start by taking a trip on an airliner, and watch the horizon become rounded when you get up to 30,000 feet and higher. Or, take a trip by ship or plane as long as you stay on the same east/west heading, and either come to the end of the earth or else back to where you began. Then let me know which. If the earth is indeed round, then explain how you can see all the kingdoms therein from a mountain, or even from orbit at 200 miles altitude or more.

 

[atpollard]

If you get that there is a mountain somewhere on earth in which one can see all the world's kingdoms, you're reading something with that citation different from what I get.

From that scripture, I get that the throne of God is located on "Mount Zion", and I just take it as an article of faith that all kingdoms are visible from the Throne of God. Jesus was able to see an apostle when matter intervened, so "God's space" appears to lack the restrictions of our 4 dimensional space-time.

Start by taking a trip on an airliner, and watch the horizon become rounded when you get up to 30,000 feet and higher. Or, take a trip by ship or plane as long as you stay on the same east/west heading, and either come to the end of the earth or else back to where you began. Then let me know which. If the earth is indeed round, then explain how you can see all the kingdoms therein from a mountain, or even from orbit at 200 miles altitude or more.

Have you circumnavigated the globe?
I have not, so I cannot testify to the fact of your hypothesis.
I have no personal proof that the Earth is round and you are STILL asking me to prove YOUR FACTS. You are the one that claims that it is impossible to see all kingdoms on the earth from any mountain top, so you get to prove it (not me). THEN you can demand that I explain why the Bible says Jesus saw all the kingdoms when it was impossible for Him to do so.

 

[atpollard]

or even from orbit at 200 miles altitude or more.

The ISS passes over all of the kingdoms of the earth in about 90 minutes at an altitude of 250 miles.


PS: Enough fun ... Jesus saw "all the kingdoms" the same way He saw Nathanael. [John 1:48]

 

[Alcott]

The ISS passes over all of the kingdoms of the earth in about 90 minutes at an altitude of 250 miles.

PS: Enough fun ... Jesus saw "all the kingdoms" the same way He saw Nathanael. [John 1:48]

We assume it was not physically possible for Jesus to see Nathaniel because of Nate's reaction. I wonder why he didn't need a mountain. And that's the point-- no literal mountain was needed for Jesus to see what there was a need to see. And the ISS "passes over" all those kingdoms; it's not stationary, like a mountain. Nor can it see "all the kingdoms of the world in their glory" (that is, anyone on board can't see them as such).

I agree-- enough fun. We don't need this thread hijacked by tickles.

 

[Yeshua1]

We assume it was not physically possible for Jesus to see Nathaniel because of Nate's reaction. I wonder why he didn't need a mountain. And that's the point-- no literal mountain was needed for Jesus to see what there was a need to see. And the ISS "passes over" all those kingdoms; it's not stationary, like a mountain. Nor can it see "all the kingdoms of the world in their glory" (that is, anyone on board can't see them as such).

I agree-- enough fun. We don't need this thread hijacked by tickles.

Unless it was a universal Flood, hard to see how all but Noah family died off!