Featured The Great Flood (of Noah)

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits above did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." - [Genesis 7:19-20]

2 point question for the "peanut gallery": What word has been added that is not found in the Holy Scripture?
10 point BONUS QUESTION: Does that word change the meaning?

 

Not only domestic dogs interbreeding, but separate species like coyotes and wolves have bred with domestic dogs and produced fertile offspring. Noah needed only to take 2 canids to enable dogs, foxes, jackals, etc. because God had created canids with genetic material able to produce such descendants.

And beetles (all animal life) do breed though many do not have lungs. IIRC, from my 1973 entomology class, insects have multiple openings called spiracles in their thorax. (I may not have the correct term.)

 

2 Points for this poster. His view, the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the unknown earth and all the unknown high mountains. I kid you not.

 

There is no "unknown earth" to God. Remember Genesis starts with the thoughts and actions of God, so no man could have recorded Genesis 1 from memory and personal experience ... not even Adam!

God is the author of Genesis. Moses is the Scribe that wrote it down.

 

Its the attempt to accommodate science so called, as a way to avoid being looked at as being loony!

 

that is evolutional timeline, not the one of the scriptures!

 

Yes, as the Holy Spirit inspired him to record it down...

 

God is the author. I have no idea who wrote it down.

 

If Bible study to show yourselves approved, is your goal, then use of proper study methods will be helpful.

Do you interpret scripture according to your presuppositions, or do you subordinate your views to an objective contextual view of scripture?

When the scope of a statement is not defined by the statement, do you assume the scope is as large as you can imagine or the minimum?

When Peter says of Jesus, "you know all things" does Peter have in mind everything imaginable or all the things about Peter?
Since Jesus did not know the time of His second coming, less than everything imaginable is certainly indicated.

Now to the method of study, do not nullify what is specifically taught by what you believe is a general attribute of God. Probably the most famous (infamous) assertion is God would not send anyone to "eternal punishment" because God is love.

Here, the idea is that because God is "all knowing" then when we see all in the text, it always means everything imaginable. Hogwash.

 

Actually "his view" would be only the elect mountains were covered. The Biblical view would be all mountains. However God only owned 1000 hills, so if humans had built high mountains, God even flooded those man made mountains.

Otherwise, no rain happened before the Flood. No geological conditions before the Flood could push rock miles into the air. Such actions only happened after the Flood broke open the crust and cause the different continents to separate or collide with each other. It is not speculation. It is common sense. We do know that it never rained, because God declared it had never rained.

 

I think the biblical view is all the mountains the author had in view. It certainly included all the mountains known to the author and his audience. But did it include unknown mountains in the "new world?" The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.

 

I love it!

 

Then all of the plants and animals and people living above the flood may not have died and God didn't necessarily destroy all life like He claimed ...
Did he?

 

Reading between the lines is your bag, not mine.
How about seals and otters, whales and dolphins? Air breathers that live in water?
Just what does Second Pollard say?

 

No, you just add words where you think Moses left them out.

 

Another, you, you, and you post, addressing and disparaging, but never admitting scripture does not say all the unknown mountains were covered. So, (1) he adds them in, and (2) he charges me with adding to scripture.

If Bible study to show yourselves approved is your goal, then use of proper study methods will be helpful.

Do you interpret scripture according to your presuppositions, or do you subordinate your views to an objective contextual view of scripture?

When the scope of a statement is not defined by the statement, do you assume the scope is as large as you can imagine or the minimum?

When Peter says of Jesus, "you know all things" does Peter have in mind everything imaginable or all the things about Peter? Since Jesus did not know the time of His second coming, less than everything imaginable is certainly indicated.

Now to the method of study, do not nullify what is specifically taught by what you believe is a general attribute of God. Probably the most famous (infamous) assertion is God would not send anyone to "eternal punishment" because God is love.

Here, the idea is that because God is "all knowing" then when we see all in the text, it always means everything imaginable. Hogwash.

 

God says ...

Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who [were] with him in the ark remained alive. And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. - [Gen 7:17-24 NKJV]​

Van says ...

... it 'Taint So'.

Sorry, but I'll stick with a hermenutic where "all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered" means all the high hills (not some) under the whole heaven (not 'that I can see) were covered (were actually covered) and "the mountains were covered" means (all) the mountains (not just some) were (actually) covered.

It is just simpler to believe that God said what He meant, and meant what He said.

 

Those exact words in Genesis do not state objectively that Noah "truly believed in God" However, it's hard for me to reach a different conclusion when reading Hebrews 11:7 - "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."