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I'm unsure how you get universal atonement from the first three verses of 1 Corinthians 15.

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,

Notice he calls them brothers, not pagans.
He then addresses them in the first person (you).
Finally, he limits who Christ died for as being himself and his Corinthian brothers (you).

Please explain how you think Paul is teaching universal atonement applied to all humanity in these verses.

 

Universal atonement is not taught in scripture anywhere.
The gospel goes out worldwide, because God has His people scattered worldwide. Jn.11:49-51

 

Another attempt to confuse the scripture by presenting a non biblical argument. The scriptures never uses the terms limited atonement or universal atonement to define what God has done for us through Christ. Those doctrines are out of the pit. Therefore to argue for which is correct is essentially a denial of the faith of Jesus Christ. Calvinism presents us with and either or proposition in the unbiblical way in which they frame their doctrines in unbiblical terminology. The reasoning is that if God does not present us with limited atonement as they teach it then he must be presenting us with universal atonement. Now, we spend our energy arguing for one or the other instead of understanding what God has in mind by using neither of those terms but by presenting us with his truth of THE atonement that he has illustrated in his OT figures in his annual sacrifices for as long as the law of Moses was his operative principle of divine dealing with Israel in which he was propitiated for the whole family, spiritual or not, and presenting Jesus Christ as the once for all time fulfillment of that atoning sacrifice. That is the reason one can find the word "atonement" only once in the NT. I have never seen a Calvinist argue their position based upon the figure given to us through the ceremonial law for their position. There is a reason for that; they do not match.

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(The us here are the Hebrews many of whom are described very very negatively in Heb 6 and Heb 10 and others who have a great warning if they fail to believe and obey God)

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: (us Hebrews)

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world (age) hath he appeared (appeared means they saw him)

to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (this is atonement, the putting away of sin so there can be reconciliation, bible words and terminology)

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Calvinism with it's reformation terminology is a tragedy. It is a false gospel. Nothing about it is true.

 

Was this covenant for a particular people or for all the human race, JD? Was the atoning sacrifice made for the people, chosen by God, or for all the nations of the world, universal?

 

While I personally hold to an universal atonement, the "our" in 1 Corinthians 15:3 and as OT texts teach refer to whom He saves.

 

Certainly, as Iconoclast said, "Universal atonement is not taught in scripture anywhere.
The gospel goes out worldwide, because God has His people scattered worldwide. Jn.11:49-51"

Then, like AustinC said, "I'm unsure how you get universal atonement from the first three verses of 1 Corinthians 15."



And, so, I don't even see where I Corinthians 15 1-3 is traditionally used in an attempt to talk about 'Universal Atonement'.

 

" Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ).

As I see it, the context is believers, not unbelievers.
For more, please see Matthew 1:21, John 10:11, Isaiah 53:8.

As I see it, "Particular Redemption" or particular atonement is apparently contradicted by what 1 John 2:2 seems to state, but is rectified when one realizes that "world" is the same "world" being spoken of in 2 Corinthians 5:19-21..."their" in "their trespasses".
If "world" there means every single person, then the vast multitude of those who were reconciled will end up in Hell.
However, if "world" there means "the ones that are not having their trespasses imputed to them", then it's understood contextually...

"World" then becomes what we see in Revelation 5:9 and Revelation 7:9, as well as 1 Corinthians 1:24.
God's children from every tongue, tribe and nation.

More later.

 

Israel were the people chosen by God. They were elect. This is one doctrine that God leaves no dark shadows to cause us to wonder.

Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

There is a name for you. Where is your name given? You are elect if you have ever been saved but God sees you "in Christ" when that happens. That is the name God knew from before the foundation of the world. Four thousand years of history passed before anyone was in Christ, and then he began forming his body from those who would believe without seeing that God was providing salvation to any sinner and all sinners who would simply believe that God would accept them based on what Jesus did for sinners. He could do this because Jesus took sin away by his sacrifice on behalf of all men everywhere. I posted He 9 saying it. You deny the atonement and your theology denies the sacrifice of Christ and you pervert it. This is not believing what God says about it. You make up all kinds of words and phrases to confuse those who listen to you. I speak of "you" in the corporate sense.

You say God is angry with sinners even though he poured his wrath against sin out on Jesus Christ and was satisficed with his offering of himself as sin on the cross. Atonement is not salvation. It is a satisfactory sacrifice of one for another. It has no commandment attached to it but it does have a promise. It says whosoever will may come and be saved through this sacrifice because God has been propitiated by it on behalf of all men. There are still a conditions. One must understand his need to come and he must know of the promise. This is why God says he has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. Paul says that knowing the terror of the Lord he persuades men. He says faith comes by hearing the word of God. You say something different to all those things.

 

Did God the father intend the death of Jesus to save all lost sinners then?

 

Atonement is perfect payment for sin. Can a just God send a person whose sin has been perfectly paid for to hell?

If so, how can it be justified?

 

We are posting about two different things.

I am posting about an accomplished redemption, and an atonement that actually saves who it is intended to save. I am posting of an actual propitiation, not a potential one.

 

Your response has a lot of ifs (conjecture and assumption). Let us focus on observing exactly what Paul actually said. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 is being particular in his address, not universal. He is limiting the field regarding who Jesus actually and effectually atoned.

 

Christ paid the penalty for sin...period. That involves all sin that ever anyone does.

Just like when Adam sinned, all sinned. (Rom. 5:12) Is that just? According to God it is just. Therefore, all who are in Adam are sinners. Guilty and on the way to hell. Like a leaf on the Niagara river headed toward Niagara Falls. If one is born of Adam, he is a sinner. And all are born in Adam. And all are guilty due to one man's action of sin.

Because guilt of sin is levied against one because of who he is born of, one man Adam, then likewise, being declared righteous and free from the guilt of sin will be based on the action of another, one Man Christ. (Rom. 5:19) But, one must be in Christ for that to occur.

Whose race are you in....Adam or Christ? The First Adam, Adam. Or the Last Adam, Christ.

In other words, Christ dying for all sin, provided the way for salvation, provided the way to be removed from Adam's act. It didn't change Adam's act. Nor did it change anyone's state who were in Adam. They are sinners and on their way to hell. Just because Christ died for all Sin, didn't remove anyone from Adam.

Being part of the First Adam was due to physical birth alone. Being part of the Last Adam is due to faith resulting in spiritual birth. Faith removes one from the First Adam and places him in the Last Adam. (1 Cor. 15:17,22,45) If one does not exercise that faith towards Christ and God, he remains in the First Adam and on the way to hell.

So, yes, Christ paid the penalty for Sin...all sin. The way is provided so that faith can remove any from Adam and place them in Christ. Rejection of God and Christ, of that faith, leaves one in Adam, even though all sin has been paid. It leaves one guilty of sin and destined for hell.

God is perfectly justified. The price has been paid. The invitation is legit. Any who come in faith will be saved. Any who do not, go to hell, because they have refused that, and remain in Adam.

Quantrill

 

Therefore, by your claim, all humans go to heaven.
Since all sins are paid for, there is no sin that God can point at to justly cast a person into hell.
I take it you are a universalist, Quantrill.

 

Your reading comprehension level is at 0.

Quantrill

 

I agree, except I see it as "lost" ( wayward sheep, Isaiah 53:6, Matthew 18:11, Luke 19:10, 1 Peter 2:25 ), but not lost as in "perishing".

 

His reading is fine you did not answer him.
unbelief is also a sin.Was that sin paid for?
your post has no biblical base.
Why did Jesus tell those unbelievers in Jn 8 they would die in their sins,PLURAL.
The only place all sin is paid for and the wrath of God is turned away is in saving Union with Christ.
You correctly identified the two federal heads,
first Adam, last Adam, but your view of the atonement was off.