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Featured Limited Spiritual Ability of the Fallen

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Oct 6, 2020.

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    Yet another "you, you, and you" post attacking the posting while ignoring the biblical position.
    The fallen have limited spiritual ability, able to understand spiritual milk but not spiritual solid food (meat).
     
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    No, Paul was comparing the babes in Christ to be still acting as if not saved!
     
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    the lost receive nothing of God, as those things are spiritually discerned!
     
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    Yet another attack on the poster, "you misunderstand that passage" without any actual explanation of Matthew 23:13.
    Those entering were not (or not yet) chosen for salvation, they were coming to faith, but false teachers prevented them from coming to faith.
     
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    Just read it folks, and pay no attention to those who would delete "as to men of flesh" from scripture.
     
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    Falsehood after falsehood, for example see God revealing Himself in Romans 1:19. All they have is non-stop smokescreed, posting absurdity after absurdity to hide the key of knowledge.
     
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    Jesus was ONLY referring to the Pharisees there, not commenting on those to get saved!
     
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    All see through creation itself that God is powerful and a Creator, but cannot know any spiritual truth!
     
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    We just want to delete your misunderstanding of what paul meant!
     
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    Absurdity, those entering were prevented from going in. The doctrines espoused by Y1 conflict with scripture.
     
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    They just make this stuff up. God's attributes are spiritual truths.
     
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    Yet another you, you, you post addressing the poster to deflect from the truth that Paul spoke, using spiritual milk, as to men of flesh.
     
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    1Peter 1:10
    As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,
    1Peter 1:11
    seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.

    All through scripture are examples where people demonstrate limited spiritual ability, seeking to understand God's word.

    No one seeks after God all the time. No one is seeking God when sinning. That is the biblical truth presented in Romans 3:11. The verse does not say no one ever seeks after God because that would conflict with many other scripture verses, such as Matthew 23:13, and 1 Peter 1:11.
     
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    Act 13:7
    who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.

    Verse after verse shows fallen men seeking God, thus demonstrating their limited spiritual ability.
     
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    Acts 8:26-39 (A story illustrating Biblical truth)
    Now an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying, “Arise and go toward the south along the road which goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is desert. So he arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to worship, was returning. And sitting in his chariot, he was reading Isaiah the prophet. Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go near and overtake this chariot.”

    So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

    And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. The place in the Scripture which he read was this:

    “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter;
    And as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
    So He opened not His mouth.
    In His humiliation His justice was taken away,
    And who will declare His generation?
    For His life is taken from the earth.”

    So the eunuch answered Philip and said, “I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here iswater. What hinders me from being baptized?”

    Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”

    And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

    So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.​

    The verse that states:
    So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?”
    illustrates the truth found in
    The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. - [1Corinthians 2:14 NIV]

    There are other truths illustrated in the story, like [1 Corinthians 2:12-13] and [Romans 10:14] and [Romans 8:28] and [Ephesians 2:8-9], to name a few.
     
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    Where the Psalms 14:2 says, "The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God." Is why Romans 3:11 says, "There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."
    Matthew 23:13, "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." The seeking and understanding God is being prevented.
    1 Peter 1:11, ". . . Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. . . ." These are those who were brought past not seeking and not understanding God and the things of God. And what of us who now know God through Christ?
     
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    Sorry, but I believe you are mistaken all three times.

    First, Consider Psalms 14:2 for just a second. If because of the bogus total spiritual inability claim, why did God who is all knowing look down to see if any did understand - meaning to act prudently - and seek God. Now God sees that they all have turned aside - sinned - and none do good because all their works of righteousness are as filthy rags. But wait, there is more. In verse 4 the question is asked, do all the workers of wickedness not know and not call upon the Lord. Now read verse 5. folks who understand - act prudently - are there in great dread. Thus they have spiritual ability sufficient to fear God. And they have sought God as a refuge. Verse 6, the Lord is their refuge. So once again the very text cited to show a lack of spiritual ability, actually shows spiritual ability.

    Second, the initial seeking (in the process of entering) cannot be sidestepped.

    Third, 1 Peter 1:10-11 does not say those seeking have been "brought past" (enabled) so the claim is simply reading into the text what is not there.
     
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    LOL
    1) The eunuch was seeking God by reading His word.
    2) The eunuch needed help to understand fully what was being taught.
    Therefore the eunuch is demonstrating limited spiritual ability.
    1) 1 Corinthians 2:12-13 refers to born anew, and indwelt individuals, so non-germane
    2) Romans 10:14 supports limited spiritual ability, some of those that hear the gospel believe, and those who believe call on the Lord.
    3) Romans 8:28 again refers to those who have been called out of darkness into His marvelous light. So another non-germane reference.
    4) Ephesians 2:8-9 addresses people who have been saved, and once again another non-germane reference.

    Bottom line, there is no support anywhere in scripture for total spiritual inability, and verse after verse showing the fallen seeking God.
     
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    ... and not understanding (just like scripture said natural man can't in 1 Corinthians 2:14).
     
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    ... proving that the Eunich could not "believe" without external help from God (the GIFT of Ephesians 2:8-9) , thus proving the Spiritual Inability as defined in the Doctrines of Grace.
     
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