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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Oct 30, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    When were our sins paid for? Was it at the cross or the moment we believed?

    Were all sins paid for ,or only our past sins ?

    Sin is transgression of the law ,did Jesus take away the law at the cross ?

    Did God pour out his wrath due to us ,on Jesus ?

    Did we recieve Christ's righteousness when we believed

    Which verses support these questions?.
     
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    All sin was paid for.

    At the Cross, the Law ceased to be that which the believer is regulated by and walks by.

    We were declared righteous when we believed.

    If the discussion continues, I will give verses as each question becomes quite involved.

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    The sins of the Covenant children were paid in full.

    Jn6:37-44 Heb2:9-16
    The ten commandments are still in effect.
    Rom3:31,heb8

    We are declared righteousness simultaneous with the point of regeneration.
    Eph2
     
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    beginning with Hebrews 8 and assuming you mean .

    10For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    What has this got to do with anyone other than ISRAEL ?
     
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    In what way is the law still in effect ? The law being the tutor to bring to Christ . Until faith came. ?
     
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    Are you a new covenant believer?

    Who is Israel?

    What Covenant are you saved under?

    How does that Covenant work?
     
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    Was there any law before Israel was a nation?

    Are you a lawless Christian?

    Are there different laws for Jews and gentiles?
     
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    Perhaps you first need to define the problem (sin and the extent of sin). Is it only moral? Is it only relational? Is it only vertical? Is it also horizontal? Is it societal?

    Where you start determines where you end.
     
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    Are heathen nations under any law? If so what law?
     
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    Sin is transgression of the law . If the law is taken away then what ?
     
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    Government?
     
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    You tell me . I don't hold to replacement theology. I don't think the law is put in our minds ect . I see no talk of this from Paul ? if it said ' gentiles ' then you might have a point.
     
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    Good point. Yeah I meant as in the sin being a transgression of the law and the understanding of what Jesus did with the law in relation to reconciling the world ect . More positional than relational .
     
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    Were not under the law . All things are permissible but not all things edify .
     
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    • And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." [Matthew 22:37-40 NASB]
    • "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. [John 3:18-20 NASB]
    • For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [Romans 1:18-21 NASB]
    • Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. [Romans 5:12-14 NASB]

    The "Greatest Commandment" is for all mankind ... It predates the Law and is eternal because it is based on who God is and who man is ... that relationship will never change.
     
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    The law is never removed ,so what law do they sin against?
     
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    no
     
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    so, you have no answer to these questions?
    I did not ask you what you did not hold to,I asked you simple questions.
     
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    So you are lawless?
     
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    positionally yes . In the sense that I'm not under the penalty of the law .
     
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