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The problem of sin .

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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
The sins of the Covenant children were paid in full.

Jn6:37-44 Heb2:9-16
The ten commandments are still in effect.
Rom3:31,heb8

We are declared righteousness simultaneous with the point of regeneration.
Eph2
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The entire cosmos was paid in full . Nothing was missed by the atonement.
 
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  • And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." [Matthew 22:37-40 NASB]
  • "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. [John 3:18-20 NASB]
  • For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [Romans 1:18-21 NASB]
  • Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. [Romans 5:12-14 NASB]
The "Greatest Commandment" is for all mankind ... It predates the Law and is eternal because it is based on who God is and who man is ... that relationship will never change.
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but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5.12

2 cor 5.19
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Eph 2
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 2
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

How do we reconcile theses passages with how God seems to have dealt with the law and sin ?
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
Believers are no longer under laws penalty, but are we lawless?
Let me be clear.
Which one of the ten commandments can we disobey?
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If righteousness came by the law ? then sure if you want to try that route . Good luck with that. Remember if you break one your guilty of them all . Which one of the laws if you kept would make you righteous? Or is it through faith we are Justified . By the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified .
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
Believers are no longer under laws penalty, but are we lawless?
Let me be clear.
Which one of the ten commandments can we disobey?
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//Which one of the ten commandments can we disobey? // This sounds like one of those KGB questions " when did you stop beating your wife " ect .lol
We could disobey everyone and still be glorified as a believer. As an unbeliever their sins are paid for though. God is not imputing their sins against them either .How can he ? He's paid for them . But if they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved ,they will not be glorified.
 
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Barry Johnson said:
//Which one of the ten commandments can we disobey? // This sounds like one of those KGB questions " when did you stop beating your wife " ect .lol
We could disobey everyone and still be glorified as a believer. As an unbeliever their sins are paid for though. God is not imputing their sins against them either .How can he ? He's paid for them . But if they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved ,they will not be glorified.
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Romans 6:1_3
 
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Barry Johnson

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This is not correct.
Jesus told the unbelievers in Jn8 theybvb would die in their Sins:Redface
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Notice when he said it ? its like how some miss the things that are said in John 6 forgetting John 12.32 hasn't happened yet .John 8 and John 6 are before Jesus dies for the sin of the world .
 
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Iconoclast said:
Romans 6:1_3
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1¶What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Strange question to ask Paul isn't it ? That should be our response also if someone was confused to think the more they sinned the more Grace abounded . Silly isn't it ? Thats why we have to understand how salvation works and how we appropriate it . There are some strange doctrines out there .
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
No..not by our law keeping, but the law keeping of another.
Christians are not lawless.
Antinomianism is not a Christian position.
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Grace teaches to deny all ungodliness not law . This is why Lordship salvation is destructive and leads to defeat and hopelessness.
Titus 2 . 11-13
 
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Barry Johnson said:
Notice when he said it ? its like how some miss the things that are said in John 6 forgetting John 12.32 hasn't happened yet .John 8 and John 6 are before Jesus dies for the sin of the world .
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I do not see any evidence in your posts that you have understanding of sin, law, Covenant, Mercy,in short...the gospel, salvation, a
or sanctification.
What you have is a confused dispensational framework, that even a biblical dispensationalist would reject.
 
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Barry Johnson said:
1¶What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Strange question to ask Paul isn't it ? That should be our response also if someone was confused to think the more they sinned the more Grace abounded . Silly isn't it ? Thats why we have to understand how salvation works and how we appropriate it . There are some strange doctrines out there .
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You said we could break all the commandments and it would not make a difference to us??
Is that what you intended to say? Or am I not understanding you post?
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
I do not see any evidence in your posts that you have understanding of sin, law, Covenant, Mercy,in short...the gospel, salvation, a
or sanctification.
What you have is a confused dispensational framework, that even a biblical dispensationalist would reject.
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Thats just your opinion which you have not proved from the scriptures . You seem to be confused about before the law and after the law . Before the new testament and after ?
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
You said we could break all the commandments and it would not make a difference to us??
Is that what you intended to say? Or am I not understanding you post?
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I'm saying if we break one then we are guilty of all . So are you saying that we can't be glorified if we break one commandmemt ( which is breaking them all )?
 
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Barry Johnson said:
Thats just your opinion which you have not proved from the scriptures . You seem to be confused about before the law and after the law . Before the new testament and after ?
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I have not given an opinion, but am asking you to answer some basic ideas.
For example you have correctly stated that sin is a transgression of the law.
Now what law was violated when God destroyed the world of the ungodly by the Flood?
 
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Barry Johnson

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Iconoclast said:
I have not given an opinion, but am asking you to answer some basic ideas.
For example you have correctly stated that sin is a transgression of the law.
Now what law was violated when God destroyed the world of the ungodly by the Flood?
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Irelavent as the flood is before the cross .
 
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